Now as I dive in further and further down the rabbit hole I am finding, "Non Existing" firearms to not be the truth, they did exist just not on acceptable levels. Then oddities to reloading such as these skinless and paperless cartridges, Any less than a .44 made before the 1860? or a Schneider/Glassick no just an oddity that existed not main stream but part of black powder history none the less. Sorry folks I do not bury or deny history because I do not like or agree with it. I do like reading and finding it. Some of it I may not like I may not agree with it, This by no means gives me the right to Delete or try and wipe it from existence, but hey that`s me. BTW I prefer the paper cartridges and the 1851 .44 Navy. However a Reenactor might find these a tool for his trade.