More great info. Many thanks for the input. my guys are delayed a couple of more days on their return from Manila. I do not know of a kiln around here, Looks like they just lean it at an angle, and rotate it a lot. Rudyard. I am very sorry that I called you Rupert. It just stuck in my head because 50 years ago I worked with a fellow named Rupert Dorey from the Isle of Guernsey. I understand your feelings about West Africa. I loved the countryside, deserts, jungles, and plains there, but the people were pretty unpredictable. One does well to keep his opinions to himself there, smile a lot, keep close to other people, and watch his back. Yes, people there still hack each other up for the slightest reason, even for having the wrong tribal cuts on their faces. I have seen 2 tribes destroy a hospital in the Nigerian Delta that was built for them because of a tribal dispute. I have sat under a mango tree and watched a village destroyed by soldiers killing anything that moved because a sniper killed their officer. I have been to a slave market in Maradi even though slavery had been supposedly banned. One of my guys from Udah returned from his home upset because his cousin was murdered for meat, and his head, When some of the cooked meat was taken to the police for proof a few of the police were snacking on it while doing the paperwork. I was offered an old U.S. 1816 Musket over there that was in very sad shape, but guns there are banned, and I feared problems with the police. They arrest animals sometimes there because they believe they are a crime suspect that changed himself into a critter to get away, then lock it up pending trial. No more Africa for me. I like Asia much better if I must be outside the U.S.. The only thing I miss was a woman in Lagos I saw one a month, and gave money to. She had no arms, and was trying to raise a baby. Her arms had been quickly removed during her rape. GOD BLESS AMERICA! God bless the U.K., God bless Austraila, New Zeeland, The Philippines, ect. We need to remember how blessed we are to live in the more free, and civilized countries of the world..... Amen.