1858 Remington History and cool stories.

nick_1 · Dec 1, 2024

Buffalow Bill was the most famous advocate of the 1858 . Claimed it never failed him.
I stole this shot off the internet from his Wiki page . Looks like two 1858's on the antlers, another 1858 without a loading lever. Possibly a cartridge conversion? 51 navy? No clue what the lower rifle is? the upper one looks like some kind of front stuffer big bore Hawken? the photo was dated 1871. looks like more pistols for faster reloads to me

SDSmlf · Dec 1, 2024

nick_1 said:
Buffalow Bill was the most famous advocate of the 1858 . Claimed it never failed him.
I stole this shot off the internet from his Wiki page . Looks like two 1858's on the antlers, another 1858 without a loading lever. Possibly a cartridge conversion? 51 navy? No clue what the lower rifle is? the upper one looks like some kind of front stuffer big bore Hawken? the photo was dated 1871. looks like more pistols for faster reloads to me

Probably easier to understand your excitement if you included the photograph you talking about.

deerstalkert · Dec 1, 2024

nick_1 · Dec 2, 2024

Oops. Yes that is the one.

Tom A Hawk · Dec 2, 2024

Notice that like the photo of Billy The Kid, the image is reversed.

nick_1 · Dec 2, 2024

Jim in Wisconsin · Dec 2, 2024

In the early photograph systems, they didn't have the negatives which then got printed into pictures like we had with film cameras. The picture they ended up with was the negative - in other words things looked backwards. Like a civil war picture of a soldier with a belt buckle that should say "U S"
would have a S U with the S backwards. Usually the photo studio would blur that out so it didn't show up.
If you could hold one of those pictures up to a bright light and look at the back side it would be right.

deerstalkert · Dec 2, 2024

I thought about reversing that pic but took a nap instead. most photo apps will reverse the image if you can figure it out. now where is that 9 year old that does it for me. sucks being old

Smokerr · Dec 2, 2024

Well they sure had some strange ideas for photo setup back in the day. I assuage its a pile of dead animals. On the other hand not like backing over a cliff taking a selfie!

I sort of get the rifles, but 4 pistols? Kind of doubt that was the normal for taking game.

From memory the otohp (grin) method was a Daguerreotype or some such.

1stnamebassist · Dec 3, 2024

The lower rifle looks like an early air rifle. My dad had one he bought in a gun shop in New Hampshire back in the 70’s. It was made by Quackenbush, but it was made probably early 1900’s and call ed a bicycle rifle. Looks similar to the one in the picture.

Jim in Wisconsin · Dec 4, 2024

Bill Cody was born in 1846 so if that picture is from 1871, he was 25 years old. Sort of a goofy picture, I wonder where and why it was taken.

shootemup58 · Dec 4, 2024

1stnamebassist said:
The lower rifle looks like an early air rifle. My dad had one he bought in a gun shop in New Hampshire back in the 70’s. It was made by Quackenbush, but it was made probably early 1900’s and call ed a bicycle rifle. Looks similar to the one in the picture.

Lower rifle is a Frank Wesson two trigger tip up rifle. Front trigger opens the action, rear trigger fires the rifle.

1stnamebassist · Dec 4, 2024

shootemup58 said:
Lower rifle is a Frank Wesson two trigger tip up rifle. Front trigger opens the action, rear trigger fires the rifle.

Thanks! Good to know.

nick_1 · Dec 4, 2024

In the buffalo bill museum in Cody they have the air rifle that was used by the Lewis and Clark expedition as a tactical weapon. It was .44 cal and would shoot about 8 shots? on an air charge. The stock was hollow tin and held the air. Gun was powerful enough to go through several inches of pine. Every time they met a new batch of Indians they put on a rapid fire demonstration. The Indians didn't know how many of their guns would shoot that fast and they credited the firepower demonstrations with keeping the peace.

nick_1 · Dec 4, 2024

I suspect the 4 pistols was for being a Indian scout for the army and the horse carried at least two of them..

Banjoman · Dec 4, 2024

Is that a small revolver on the chair?

Greg Y · Dec 4, 2024

Anyone within 500 miles of Cody should go to the museum. Be well rested and go early. There's a lit to learn there.

nick_1 · Dec 4, 2024

I can not discern what the object on the chair is?

nick_1 · Dec 4, 2024

That museum is really loaded with quality stuff.

Jim in Wisconsin · Dec 5, 2024

I would love to go there someday. I was actually in Cody when I was 15 years old but wouldn't have known about the museum. I have a picture of me and my sister standing on a big statue of Buffalo Bill. We were on our way to the Seattle World's Fair in 1962 from here in Wisconsin. 8 of us in a 1960 Ford. I had to carry my little cousin most of the time cause she was too little to walk much.

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