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Has anyone used Four Wing Musket Caps on a modern cap n ball revolver or Traditions percussion rifle? I know I have used #11 caps on my revolver by giving them a pinch and they fit fine. Considering the supply issue with #10-11 caps if this would be an option??
 
The size difference is enormous, it would not fit.
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OK. I see that now. Always wondered how back in the day they could manage those caps so easily.
Thanks!!
 
Hello, I live in Spain, I ask myself the same question. In Europe there is no longer any gun shop that has No. 11 primers, either RWS, German, or CCI, American. But they still have 4 wing caps. The musket ones. My question is, would it be possible to adapt these primers to the normal nipples of a Hawken, which are obviously smaller than those of a minié musket? Greetings from Spain.
 
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@Hermanoshawken

Remove the nipple, determine the thread size and count, and do an internet search to see if a musket nipple is available in the size you have. There are musket conversion nipples readily available through several suppliers, but you need to know your size first. Then you can utilizie all the musket caps you can get your hands on!
 
Hermanoshawken said:
Hello, I live in Spain, I ask myself the same question. In Europe there is no longer any gun shop that has No. 11 primers, either RWS, German, or CCI, American. But they still have 4 wing caps. The musket ones. My question is, would it be possible to adapt these primers to the normal nipples of a Hawken, which are obviously smaller than those of a minié musket? Greetings from Spain.
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'morning,

Definitely check Track of the Wolf (Nipples - Track of the Wolf), I've picked up replacement cones that take musket caps for several of my Hawken and other civilian rifles. Not sure what shipping would be to Spain, but given how light/small a cone is, I wouldn't think it would be all that expensive.

Mike
 
Hello. In the Youtube video of this American citizen, or maybe Canadian, he looks like a large four-winged caps on normal nipples. Also in a Kentucky rifle from Ardesa, one of those manufactured here in Spain. It is a good idea to shoot at the shooting range, because by not moving the cap does not fall out of the nipple. Best regards.
 
Hermanoshawken said:
Hello. In the Youtube video of this American citizen, or maybe Canadian, he looks like a large four-winged caps on normal nipples. Also in a Kentucky rifle from Ardesa, one of those manufactured here in Spain. It is a good idea to shoot at the shooting range, because by not moving the cap does not fall out of the nipple. Best regards.
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Good video. Pyrodex, oversized caps and no fail to fire. This pretty much proves my new stash of winged caps will work.

Had a thought. If! I replaced the nipple to fit the cap, what would I ask for, other than the correct thread size, what would I look for? Is there a specific name for it?
Thanks in advance.
 
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NavyDoc76-80 said:
Good video. Pyrodex, oversized caps and no fail to fire. This pretty much proves my new stash of winged caps will work.

Had a thought. If! I replaced the nipple to fit the cap, what would I ask for, other than the correct thread size, what would I look for? Is there a specific name for it?
Thanks in advance.
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Track of the Wolf has them. Musket cap nipples

Need correct thread and dimensions. Also the nipple has to center well in the hammer cup.

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/159/1
 
NavyDoc76-80 said:
Am familiar with TOTW, have an account. In my search, no mention of made for winged caps, but I did see a nipple labled military nipple. Is that the one for winged caps?

I typically use CCI #11
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They state musket caps in the part description and you can see the larger section that fits the caps in the pictures.

What gun do you want the nipple for?

" Nipple, 6-.75mm metric thread, for Lyman Great Plains Rifle, Trade Rifle & InvestArm rifles, musket cap, stainless steel, requires a well centered hammer cup!
  • Cone length: 0.440"
  • Thread journal length: 0.195"
  • Overall length: 0.635"
  • Diameter of base: 0.307"

Nipple, 6-1mm metric thread, for CVA rifles and shotguns, Traditions, Jukar, and other Spanish mfg. guns, musket cap, stainless steel, requires a well centered hammer cup!
  • Cone length: 0.440"
  • Thread journal length: 0.195"
  • Overall length: 0.635"
  • Diameter of base: 0.307"
Nipple, 1/4-28 thread for rifle, with cone for military musket cap, hardened steel, requires NW-100 musket nipple wrench
  • Cone length: 0.440"
  • Thread journal length: 0.195"
  • Overall length: 0.635"
  • Diameter of base: 0.307"
 
Mad Professor said:
They state musket caps in the part description and you can see the larger section that fits the caps in the pictures.

What gun do you want the nipple for?

" Nipple, 6-.75mm metric thread, for Lyman Great Plains Rifle, Trade Rifle & InvestArm rifles, musket cap, stainless steel, requires a well centered hammer cup!
  • Cone length: 0.440"
  • Thread journal length: 0.195"
  • Overall length: 0.635"
  • Diameter of base: 0.307"

Nipple, 6-1mm metric thread, for CVA rifles and shotguns, Traditions, Jukar, and other Spanish mfg. guns, musket cap, stainless steel, requires a well centered hammer cup!
  • Cone length: 0.440"
  • Thread journal length: 0.195"
  • Overall length: 0.635"
  • Diameter of base: 0.307"
Nipple, 1/4-28 thread for rifle, with cone for military musket cap, hardened steel, requires NW-100 musket nipple wrench
  • Cone length: 0.440"
  • Thread journal length: 0.195"
  • Overall length: 0.635"
  • Diameter of base: 0.307"
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First of all, thank you for a precisely typed and detailed description of the subject at hand. This conversation has taught me a lot. Particularly the correct words for things that are easily overlooked or for novices, misunderstood. Now for a little laughter. You list three thread sizes. As I attempt to purchase a nipple for my rifle, I have purchased 2 of the 3 so far. I’m needing to purchase the 3rd size next, as options run out for proper size and fit. Fingers crossed.
 
NavyDoc76-80 said:
First of all, thank you for a precisely typed and detailed description of the subject at hand. This conversation has taught me a lot. Particularly the correct words for things that are easily overlooked or for novices, misunderstood. Now for a little laughter. You list three thread sizes. As I attempt to purchase a nipple for my rifle, I have purchased 2 of the 3 so far. I’m needing to purchase the 3rd size next, as options run out for proper size and fit. Fingers crossed.
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Who made the gun?

The 3rd type I listed from TOTW I believe fits TC rifles (1/4 - 28).

If you take the nipple you have to a good hardware store (not big box), they will have a display with nuts and screws fixed to them, std and metric. See which nut your nipple fits. (<<<< that going to get censored? :eek:)


Edit: On the other thread I see you mentioned it is a 1/4- 28 thread, and it's a Navy Arms? Correct?
 
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NavyDoc76-80 said:
First of all, thank you for a precisely typed and detailed description of the subject at hand. This conversation has taught me a lot. Particularly the correct words for things that are easily overlooked or for novices, misunderstood. Now for a little laughter. You list three thread sizes. As I attempt to purchase a nipple for my rifle, I have purchased 2 of the 3 so far. I’m needing to purchase the 3rd size next, as options run out for proper size and fit. Fingers crossed.
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This is the kind of thing you need to be very certain of. The thread must be an exact match. Some standard and metric threads will seem to fit but they are not interchangeable. After a few shots an incorrect nipple can go shooting out of the drum and seriously hurt you.
 
Mad Professor said:
Who made the gun?

The 3rd type I listed from TOTW I believe fits TC rifles (1/4 - 28).

If you take the nipple you have to a good hardware store (not big box), they will have a display with nuts and screws fixed to them, std and metric. See which nut your nipple fits. (<<<< that going to get censored? :eek:)


Edit: On the other thread I see you mentioned it is a 1/4- 28 thread, and it's a Navy Arms? Correct?
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This saga continues. Turned out after purchase, it was not 1/4-28. Shooting for 6-.75 next
 
BoomStick said:
This is the kind of thing you need to be very certain of. The thread must be an exact match. Some standard and metric threads will seem to fit but they are not interchangeable. After a few shots an incorrect nipple can go shooting out of the drum and seriously hurt you.
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100% agree. That is why after screwing in a 6-1.0 was just a hair sloppy for my liking, then went for 1/4-28, nada, now have 6-.75 on order.
 
NavyDoc76-80 said:
100% agree. That is why after screwing in a 6-1.0 was just a hair sloppy for my liking, then went for 1/4-28, nada, now have 6-.75 on order.
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Some screws from a hardware store will cost less and you can check all possible sizes quickly.
 

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