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I saw that one, but I had just bought two other expensive muzzleloaders in the previous 3 weeks, so I thought I had better cool it for a while.
Pedersoli Baker finally here
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Be aware that they are using a non-historical patent breech in it.
In addition, instead of the direct vent fire channel it should have, they cross-drill the touch hole through the opposite side of the breech from the snail, plug it with a screw, and grind it flush to hide it. So you have a 90-degree vent with no way to access it for mechanically cleaning.
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so this is not unobtanium it's unaffordableum
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A little of both, it would seem.
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just received clarification about twist rate
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That stock architecture looks off, even when compared to the original. Seems considerably straighter. Not sure what the drop is, but I would guess only 1.5" or so...
Was this confirmed from Pedersoli?
The twist rate is correct
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It was confirmed by myself after buying a Pedersoli Lorenz.
They have also monkeyed with the fire channel and hidden cleanout screw on their Enfields. I have not seen this first-hand but it has been posted on the internet.
Well dang! I may be wrong, but I thought all of their guns didn't have it. I sent a message to them and asked. They didn't really clarify the breech question, just said it is like the original.
Here's the response:
"Thank you for the interest in our Baker rifle.
It will be available towards November - December.
We are reproducing the rifle, like the original model we have in our hands.
I attach the 2025 news brochure, in the last pages you can read about the Baker.
Best regards,
Customer service"
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/guns-for-sale-pedersoli.asp?l=en
Oops, posted the wrong link. DP 2025 brochure
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Hi Jim,
The originals had a drop at heel of only 1.5" and drop at front of the comb of only 1 3/8". There were many complaints from the riflemen that the stocks were too straight. The complaints were sufficient that commanding officers asked for "bent" stocks. Supposedly, ordnance bent the stocks of some finished guns to respond to the complaints. Bailey writes that they steamed the stocks and bent them but the fix was only temporary and the stocks eventually returned to the original shape. However, British gunmakers commonly treated wrists with hot oil to permanently create cast off or more drop in stocks of sporting guns. I don't know if anyone has accurate records about what they actually did. I think TRS puts more drop in their stocks than the originals and I suspect they did that because very few would like the straight stocks of the originals unless you are built like a raccoon with no neck. I recently had an original pattern 1800 in my hands at Fort Ticonderoga and I did not like the fit of the gun at all because of the straight stock.
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Interesting stuff! Wonder why they chose this architecture? It looks to me that Pedersoli's version has a little LESS drop than the original shown.
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Great information as usual Dave. I found an example of the “too straight stock”.
I’m in the process of getting my Indian Baker rifled. I like the guy from British Muzzleloaders have been bitten hard by the Baker bug so I will likely buy a Pedersoli when then they finally show up to add my collection. I’m really interested in some 200 to 300 yard shooting when I finally get my rifle sorted.
I’m in the process of getting my Indian Baker rifled. I like the guy from British Muzzleloaders have been bitten hard by the Baker bug so I will likely buy a Pedersoli when then they finally show up to add my collection. I’m really interested in some 200 to 300 yard shooting when I finally get my rifle sorted.
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Giving up a bit of historical accuracy and modifying the stock angle to fit the “average” shooter would be my choice.
Also, a 120” twist rate? I know there are incredible accuracy claims for the Baker rifle. Some of them are hard to believe, considering the rudimentary sights of the original. Why not a 60 or 70 twist?
Maybe historical accuracy is the most important design goal for Pedersoli in creating a Baker replica.
It certainly wasn’t for the Pedersoli Jaeger, which doesn’t look like a Jaeger rifle in my mind….
Also, a 120” twist rate? I know there are incredible accuracy claims for the Baker rifle. Some of them are hard to believe, considering the rudimentary sights of the original. Why not a 60 or 70 twist?
Maybe historical accuracy is the most important design goal for Pedersoli in creating a Baker replica.
It certainly wasn’t for the Pedersoli Jaeger, which doesn’t look like a Jaeger rifle in my mind….
Not to pile on, but this might be the worst looking gun I've ever seen. (original Bakers included)
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