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  1. Hiverano

    Green River Rifle Works Leman Trade Gun

    Doc was building for customers as well as being a custom muzzleloading gunsmith for GRRW Collectors Association for 5 years until his passing in later 2022. I was the one that got the new/old firm up [GRRW.CA] and running, talked to possible customers, took orders for new guns, and chased parts...
  2. Hiverano

    Green River Rifle Works Leman Trade Gun

    You guys asked about how actuate the GRRW guns were, not bragging but these guns were the best you could find for the money. In 1974 at the Colorado State Muzzleloading Association Championships in Leadville CO. The State Shoot Committee setup a range for testing just that, who's manufactured...
  3. Hiverano

    Green River Rifle Works Leman Trade Gun

    I talk to Carl Walker (GRRW's first employee) every other week, he told me as Phil will that the GRRW guns were meant to shoot round balls. Every GRRW gun barrel has flat groove rifling. Several have mentioned round groove rifling, Carl told me if the barrel has this rifling, it's not a GRRW...
  4. Hiverano

    Some real old prices

    Brother isn't that a true statement ... usually with the wrong equipage, time period and trying to justify his wares.
  5. Hiverano

    Some real old prices

    The good old days ... Funny now as we are repeating what our grand parents said...
  6. Hiverano

    Green River Rifle Works Leman Trade Gun

    This is a GRRW Collectors Association Serial Number NW #01, (the first firearm Doc White built for either GRRW or GRRW.CA. His old firm never ever had a Doc White build). That being said, I'm told this NW H.E. Leman North West Trade Gun (GRRW.CA #NW #01 DGW) is a rare piece to own. Rare or not...
  7. Hiverano

    Some real old prices

    When they changed smokes from $0.25 to $0.30, I quit smoking !@#$%^.
  8. Hiverano

    Got any dumb statements by idiots?? (Muzzleloading shooting related)

    I know Mark Baker, use to supply him with edibles for the articles he wrote in Muzzleloader. He told me he thought he was to train Daniel Day Lewis how to run through the woods (turns out Lewis is a long distance runner having to wait for Mark to catchup). Lewis turns out to know more than what...
  9. Hiverano

    Green River Rifle Works Leman Trade Gun

    Just got off the phone with Carl Walker in Roosevelt, he has the GRRW Record Books. 1. GRRW never used "radius groove rifling" only flat grooved rifling in all the builds and the kits. 2. There's a good chance that there are no records for some of the early GRRW guns as Carl didn't really...
  10. Hiverano

    Green River Rifle Works Leman Trade Gun

    I'll contact Carl Walker in Roosevelt, he has the GRRW Record Books, we'll see if the gun has any information that you're looking for. 1. radius groove rifling or flat rifling? 2. if radius, I would use patched RB, if the later, you could shoot conicals but they may not stabilize with RB twist...
  11. Hiverano

    Beeswax and lard proportions

    Like mentioned. we have used a mixture of 40/60 beeswax to buffalo or bear lard when available for at least 50 years. I now see that Frontier Gander is selling this mix on his website.
  12. Hiverano

    Some real old prices

    Shipping has gone out the window, I was told "if you're crying about shipping you better get out of the game". This is one of the larger suppliers of muzzle loading supplies, (that remark ****** me off wouldn't use them again ...).
  13. Hiverano

    Green River Rifle Works Leman Trade Gun

    Rely on this gentleman and Phil Meeks for their replies. Herb is at Carl Walkers (GRRW first employee of the firm) or Doc's place (started GRRW) monthly, and Phil has one of the largest collections of GRRW. Great sources ...
  14. Hiverano

    What Muzzleloading Stuff Did You Do Today?

    Thank you, if I can't make it look right, I'll make a trip to Roosevelt UT to see Carl Walker, he built the gun originally in 1973.
  15. Hiverano

    Some real old prices

    My dad bought me the same rifle (6.5 Carcano) in 1948 for the gun at $5.00 and three boxes of ammo with the tin clips all for $8.50 (gun and ammo) at a local hardware store. We even got to pick the one we wanted out of a large whiskey barrel with several dozen butts hanging over the sides of...
  16. Hiverano

    What Muzzleloading Stuff Did You Do Today?

    Already knocked down, now ready for final 600 grit sanding.
  17. Hiverano

    What Muzzleloading Stuff Did You Do Today?

    Here's a Warning: Made the mistake of leaving an H.E. Leman trade rifle (GRRW reproduction) in a hot car for an hour. In one hour, the heat wrinkled the finish on the rifle to the point of now having to lightly sand off the original finish at the damaged locations with 400 grit wet/dry...
  18. Hiverano

    Green River Rifle Works Leman Trade Gun

    The 1980 prices are as much or less that just the parts alone today.
  19. Hiverano

    Green River Rifle Works Leman Trade Gun

    Bob, The old gunsmiths of Green River Rifle Works (four members: Doc White, Carl Walker, Les Bennett, and Ron Paull) have had dreams of starting to build the same model guns of the past history. I talked Doc into having those interested start a new firm, setup a little different than the...
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