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  1. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    Your original Nock lock internals look exactly like the Kibler lock internals I posted above. That tells us that Kibler followed the original design, which can’t be improved on, using updated modern steels and machining.
  2. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    That rosewood handled turnscrew is also tops. I hope your Nock lives in a nice case along with its playthings. Very cool picture
  3. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    I do appreciate your point, Dave. I think I’m going to purchase each, the Davis and the Kibler, and weigh out the relative merits of each. The gun is being built by a well known pro, so luckily I myself will not be fooling with it. The distinctly British look of the Davis or the kind-of British...
  4. pamtnman

    L& R Manton Lock

    Can you show some pictures?
  5. pamtnman

    L& R Manton Lock

    If you are solely looking for pure function and only a side of design consideration, the Kibler late English lock is probably impossible to beat. A well fit frizzen and powder pan should be fine. From what I have learned, the English perfected the flintlock in its last years, and thus the...
  6. pamtnman

    Call to action: Flintlock-only Deer Season KY - Commission meeting today

    Good luck with this, I hope you prevail. We Pennsyltucky people looooove our flintlock-only late season. In some ways it is actually the best time of the year, even though the deer are really skittish and have been pared down by about 20% over the previous two months. Very few people in the...
  7. pamtnman

    L& R Manton Lock

    🥲 wow well done, Dave. Really first rate work. Thank you for your guidance on this. I am still struggling on the lock. On the one hand, the RE Davis waterproof is the look I want. On the other hand, the Kibler late Ketland is the function I need.
  8. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    Another view of Jim Kibler's beautiful work
  9. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    Here is the internal view of Jim Kibler's Late Ketland (it is amazingly polished and refined)
  10. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    Log Cabin Shop AKA RE Davis (the two merged) sent me these photos today, of their "Late English" lock. The front is the waterproof pan look I am after. There is no lip seal around the bottom of the frizzen like there is on the Rice Nock lock. The internals look familiar to me but I am not...
  11. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    I hear ya, Rich, and you give good general guidance. The question I face is whether to buy the best lock available that kind of looks like what I am after, or do I buy good stylistic looks with some real work needed to make it perform properly? I hunt a lot with my flintlocks, like a lot. They...
  12. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    Thank you very much, Dave, I really do so much appreciate your help here. The Manton/Nock look with the waterproof pan is what I am after, AS WELL AS the high function of the originals. The gun is a 62 caliber British Sporting Rifle, and the wrist is thick and the barrel is wide. The ramrod is...
  13. pamtnman

    L& R Manton Lock

    Anyone have experience with the RE Davis copy of the Manton? RE Davis Company | "Late English" Flintlock And I need to say that price is not a consideration. I see that Kibler's locks are CNC from stock, and nothing is made better than that process. I would buy a lock from Kibler yesterday, IF...
  14. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    Say 1815-1825, late flintlock era using the nicest flintlocks ever made. The Chambers and Kibler Late Ketland undoubtedly fit. The challenge is the look I’m after. That waterproof pan….
  15. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    Thank you, Jim, obviously a lot of us admire you and your work. Your observations here are very much most welcome, because you bring an informed view. Please help me out. I’m building a flintlock British Sporting Rifle, and so the Manton-style water proof pan is almost a necessity. It’s very...
  16. pamtnman

    L& R Manton Lock

    Dave Person has written a bit about the new Rice Nock lock, which I am considering for a British Sporting Rifle. I like the waterproof pan, but I am a bit spooked by its main spring issue that Dave has posted about. I am not in the market for an L&R, and it is nice to know that some people are...
  17. pamtnman

    Rice's new Nock lock

    Has anyone built a rifle using the Liston Rice "Nock" lock with the waterproof pan? If yes, I am eager to see some pictures, hear about the main spring fit into the mortise
  18. pamtnman

    Rice "Nock" lock question

    Has anyone built a rifle using the Liston Rice "Nock" lock with the waterproof pan? If yes, I am eager to see some pictures. Thank you
  19. pamtnman

    SOLD REDUCED Outstanding. 54 Plains Rifle w/William Large PREMIUM Barrel

    Thank you for responding so fast. Hmmmmm that is on the heavy side of my shoulders and knees. It’s really a special gun. Maybe more of a stand gun and not one for walking the mountains with. It’s like a gem
  20. pamtnman

    Is Getz Barrel Co. Still In Business?

    I think a lot of people in our “field” or area of interest here are really good people, and we want to believe others are good like us. I also saw Getz at the 18th Century Artisans Show last month, and he had a table out, as if he was fully in business. It’s difficult for good people to...
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