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  1. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Where are you gentlemen located? Perhaps I could bring the rifle by for you to examine. D.
  2. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    I think the trading posts were done and gone before I was 10 years old. The receipt books I found from them were from the 40s and 50s. One on the jicarilla apache reservation, one on the Navajo reservation near Shiprock and one down toward Chinle n.m My son did find two ball Mason jars full-of...
  3. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    I'm pretty much sure after owning it for almost 30 years and chatting with 400 people about it that it is an original Samuel Hawken, just of a smaller caliber and less known. D.
  4. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    I am not a gun builder or specialist but the flash guard does appear added and it is made of a thin sheet metal. D.
  5. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    I have learned so much about muzzleloading and the Hawken rifles themselves in the past few days it has been incredible. I will study on exactly how to take a wax measurement of the bore. I will have some calipers in the next couple days and I will also measure volume of powder dispenser and...
  6. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    I think the initials carved on the nose piece and possibly on the small powder horn are very interesting also. This gun was wrapped super well in old clothes and an old quilt and buried in a foot of blown in rock wool since at least 1965 in a dry old attic but miraculously didn't dry to the...
  7. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Did anyone notice the small nail and small wood repair that looks pretty ancient. Looks like the wood chipped and someone many years ago did a decent repair on it. Dave
  8. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Yes the small conical powder measuring device is made of metal and appears to be partially filled with wax? So that the proper measurement could be attained.
  9. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    When the husband if the elderly lady had passed in 1965 they sealed his 60 by 80 shop up and it wasn't opened again until I bought it in the late 90s. Inside was an almost completely rebuilt full size real Conestoga wagon....other than that there were some old oilfield wrenches and it was empty...
  10. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Haha great advice thanks. As I said before I've never cleaned polished or touched anything. I did check to make sure it wasn't loaded. I would never shoot it but after I get it truly looked at and appraised I would lime to let a handful of real Hawken guys examine it in person, photograph it as...
  11. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Sounds good thank you all for your help and input. If there is something else you want to see please let me know. Here are a few more pics and pics of the unfinished horn, the mold pliers? And lead pouring spoon that were found with the rifle. D
  12. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Wow I didn't even know of a blowing horn. I just took photos of the smaller horn. It seems to have a hardwood or bone stopper. An attached metal measuring device? It seems to be full of something part way so that the powder measurement is correct. It also has some kind of initials or carving as...
  13. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    I never knew to look for any markings on the lock. I measured the ramrod stick from the rifle, I didn't want to scratch the inside of the rifle trying to measure it. I will look again and attach some more pics I have. One photo shows a very small very old repair done right behind the lock. I...
  14. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    The spoon appears to have been for pouring lead and the council handle for heat issues?
  15. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Thanks for all the info Bob. I did send Greg at the Hawken shop a bunch of pics and a phone call but never heard back. Hope all is well with him. I just looked at pics of the plier mold device and it has the number 95 on it.
  16. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Thanks Gentlemen, I knew it was something special almost 30 years ago when I found it. I've always been a big fan of Jeremiah Johnson and was lucky enough to see it on the big screen when I was a kid. The rifle was wrapped in a very old quilt and buried under a foot of very old blown in...
  17. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Thank you Phil
  18. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Couple more pics
  19. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    They did use walnut stocks other than curly maple, that I have confirmed.
  20. warbike39

    Real Hawken or not?

    Yeah I agree, perhaps the stock has been refinished years ago? Appears to be walnut to me. Dave
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