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    Holden MO Trade show 15-16 Feb

    It can be.. it is a small show, so take that into consideration. There is a occasionally some interesting things t be found on the trade tables. Last time John Pieron's table had a nice assortment of goods and ML builder supplies. Jim Turpin and Dennis Martini were there with a nice display of...
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    Kansas Folks

    Headed the other way:( Wife's family is meeting up in Lexington, MO Saturday night to listen to a band ( Dan and Trish know the guitar player ) and do some boot scootin' i'd of swung over there if I didn't already have the weekend booked up.. Get some pics of any good gear/firearms...
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    Kansas Folks

    I'm in Overland Park. KS.. Just down the road from Cruzatte and actually closer to JakeM. Haven't shot regularly in years other than the rondy up in Iowa friend throws annually. finally got both knees replaced, so I'm hoping to get a bit more active and get back into my shop building guns again...
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    What do you as a builder use to finish a stock?

    An Old Durable Stock Finish Fred Miller The finish and method of application is old. Just when it originated, I don't know. Is it period correct? The ingredients (except for the substitution of marine spar rather than just a spar varnish) are period correct, and certainly the method is as...
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    What do you as a builder use to finish a stock?

    I use "Old Durable" finish Spar varnish, linseed oil and turpentine.. 1:1:1 each fist coat -heavy soaking coat, let set 30 minutes.. wipe off with clean towel set aside for 4 hours second coat- not as heavy but wet, let set 30 minutes/wipe and set aside 8 hours third- wipe on wet with fingers...
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    H&A peep sight & buggy rifle

    I'm in one of the 'burbs' on the Kansas side of Kansas City. Pat, the owner of the Hilliard lives in Topeka... Respect Always Metalshaper/Jonathan
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    H&A peep sight & buggy rifle

    Eterry, Could you show me a pic of the trigger mechanism ? My bud Marlow and I have speculated as to how they did them? Seen pics of target underhammers just no pic of the internals Respect Always Metalshaper / Jonathan
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    H&A peep sight & buggy rifle

    ETerry, Speaking of very nice!!!;) That is a wonderful Hilliard !!! Funny I also have a friend that acquired an original Hilliard. The bore was kinda messed up so he had Mark DeHaas bore it out and re-rifle it. Pat's rifle has a nice fit and feel when you shoulder it.. Like the tub of parts...
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    H&A peep sight & buggy rifle

    Back in the day, the underhammer buggy guns went by such names as..Hilliard, Kendall, Ruggles, Carliton, Cook, Bacon, and Billinghurst to name a few. Hopkins and Allen were not even thought of back then! At some traditional muzzleloading groups/competitions the H&A underhammers are not...
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    H&A peep sight & buggy rifle

    Back east , where the underhammer flourished originally... were also in areas of of devout church goers.. the story goes that after the services, families gathered to picnic.. afterwards the gentlemen wandered off to have impromptu shooting matches? The guns were small 'buggy rifles' that...
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    I want to learn how to make a caplock from scratch

    The easiest lock to make is an underhammer! Jeff Baron has a book detailing construction methods to build a variety of UH locks.. The Mule Ear is questionable as next easiest ? Although they can be finicky and sometimes a p.i.t.a o_Oo_O I like and build them as not everyone has one ...
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    H&A peep sight & buggy rifle

    .45 caliber, 1" a few barrel approximately 31" long. Under rib is wooden, ramrod pipes were banded in an attempt to resemble the frame.. I'll get more pics when I'm on a computer n not this tablet ( that seems to hate photos ) The double set mechanism is a selfish result of being told '...
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    H&A peep sight & buggy rifle

    Here is one I made.. H&A styled clone. Mechanism on an insert to avoid the pins through the frame.. I trot this one out every once in a while when people talk Underhammers;) Respect Always Metalshaper/Jonathan
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    flintlock lock dimensions

    The problem with Lauber's books are, there is some inaccuracies built in due to the publishing and in recreating his drawings. These are magnified if you are trying to use a copier to make templates and just do the print and go.. the copier I use copies close to 99% across the page but is about...
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    Jenks Mule Ear Carbine-I think

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    Jenks Mule Ear Carbine-I think

    Here are some pics of my Jenks"parts.. just so you guys no I'm not just blowing smoke . the rusty piece is the chuck of industrial angle/L the breech receiver was shaped out of.. No machine tools other than a belt sander and drill press were used to make these. Respect Always Metalshaper/Jonathan
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    Jenks Mule Ear Carbine-I think

    Mike, Thanks for the pics and especially the chamber drawing! everything helps.... My version will have the bent hammer. I've even considered 'trying' the Maynard tape conversion.. but I think I'll stay with the simpler version! Respect Always Metalshaper/Jonathan
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    Jenks Mule Ear Carbine-I think

    Fritz, Ok I'm gonna bug you again! any chance you have a set of calipers around? I'd appreciate the barrel dimensions ( maybe every 2" ) from the breech to muzzle if you can/would.. Please and thanks! ( your pics get me kinda close on the muzzle ) I'm working on laying out a template for the...
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    Jenks Mule Ear Carbine-I think

    Fritz, Thanks that was really helpful for the stock dimensions! I think it will help me do a little more extrapolation.. I appreciate your help Respect Always Metalshaper / Jonathan
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    Jenks Mule Ear Carbine-I think

    the confusion is that the gun used the same ball as a standard .54 rifle, but in fact had a .52-.525 bore and the rifling itself was approximately .530. the chamber area is in the neighborhood of .58-.59 I believe? This allowed the ball to be dropped in and seat against the start of the...
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