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That's not the one I was talking about however thanks for the reply. The one I'm trying to find was called either e-z or e-c loader, it has four load chambers but you only load three as the short starter slides thru the forth to keep it from rotating

Hi everyone just wandering if anyone knows the name of the speed loader that has the short starter built into it I thought it was called ez loader but I'm not sure

Thanks for allowing me to become a member of this group. I look forward to using this sitem as I'm thinking about building a pa style long rifle. I currently only have store bought muzzleloadersome but I'm ready to change the game. Hope to see you all around on the forums Randi