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I spent some time patterning my 10 ga double this weekend. My inital load with 90 gr, over powder card, lubed 1/2" wad, 1 3/8 oz, and overshot card didn't work at all with a gaping hole in the pattern. Cutting the wad in 1/2 solved the hole problem. I went on to eliminate the over powder card and got consistent 80% patterns at 20 yds (just right for cylinder bores).

Then it started to fall apart after 9-10 shots. My guess thinking about it afterwards was that bore fouling was ruining the wads and thus the patterns were being blown. My first thought was then to swab the bore every 4 shots or so but then I wondered if putting the over powder card back in the mix would serve to keep the bore cleaner?

It's going to be a while before I get back out but I'd appreciate any advice.
 
Weston--try using 2 Oxyoke wool 1/8" wads lubed between like an Oreo cookie..also drive the wad and over shot card down with a lube patch on the jag--this should solve the fouling problem..This has worked for me in the past....I tried the 1/2" fiber wads and had the same results.not good..one other idea..use 5 or 6 overshot cards over the powder..they have a tendency to leave the shot pattern early..which is a good thing.one other idea.since you have a cylinder bore.if you use a plastic shot cup you will also extend your range..I would think at least out to 30 yards...Good luck keep us posted on your testing ....Dan
 
I did not have good patterns in an 11 ga. using thick wads either. Making a shot cup out of paper helped my patterns. Keeping the bore lubed between shots keeps fouling down. I swab between shots unless a quick follow up is needed.
 
what are you lubing the cushion wad with? if it's lubed too thickly it will stay solid and blow the pattern, if it's lubed thinly it should disintigrate.
 
There are a lot of combinations that can be used. I dont have any ideas on the 10 ga because I dont own one.I have a sxs 12 ga. and use the following combination with pretty good results. Two Cards over powder.The cards are homemade from poster board.Then about a quater of a fiber wad lubed with olive oil. Then the shot with one overshot card made from poster board.

If you havent read VM Star I would suggest reading his artical on black powder shotguns. That can be found on the Black Powder notebook.

I dont know how to post the link but you can Google it.Good Luck !

Wayne/Al
 
medic302 said:
what are you lubing the cushion wad with? if it's lubed too thickly it will stay solid and blow the pattern, if it's lubed thinly it should disintigrate.

Hmmm, that's something I hadn't thougt about. So - what do YOU lube with?
 
Take a 1/2" cushion wad, and cut it into quarters. Then put some vegetable oil- olive oil if you must!--- in a shallow dish, or the lid of a jar. Roll the edges of the wads in the oil so that the entire circumference of the wad is coated with oil about 1/16-1/8" from the edge. Set the wads aside on paper towels to absorb the excess oil.

Bob Spenser's Black Powder notebook can be found here:
http://home.insightbb.com/~bspen/

That is where you will find both his article on his loads, and the V.M. Starr article you should read. V.M. Starr is considered the Father of modern BP shotgun shooting, as He kept the sport alive, and wrote about loading techniques back in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, when the NMRLA was still struggling to grow. He built, and worked on old shotguns, fixing them for people. He also did jug-choking when there were few people alive who had any idea how it was done.

If you use plastic shotcups, remember to grease them or grease the bore after seating them on your wads. Otherwise, you will get plastic build up on the inside of the bore, and it will require modern solvents, and bore brush work to remove the residue. If you shoot exposed lead shot in the gun, the lead will rub off against the bore, leaving lead streaks. They do interfere with the seal of the wads, and ruin patterns. Grease the bore with a lubed cleaning patch in front of your cleaning jag, when you run those OS cards down on top of the shot load in the gun. The Grease will let the shot glide OVER the steel bore, and leave less, or no lead streaks.

A secondary benefit it more shot pellets making it to your target, as the flattened shot pellets that rubbed off lead against the bore drop out of the pattern in the first 20 yards in front of the muzzle.

If you put up paper at 15 yards- 3 ft. square-- and shoot a pattern at it, you will often see pieces of shot below the main pattern, that, on close examination, leave squared sided holes in the paper. Greasing the bore after seating your shot load and OS cards will eliminate most of this.

You will also get better patterns at longer distance, if you reduce that powder charge to 80 grains, instead of the 90 grains you are using. For more impact energy on game, simply use the next size larger bird shot- ie. #5 instead of #6 shot, for example. Pellet energy is what delivers the killing power on game, and #6 shot will be good out to 30 yards. But in a cylinder bore gun, #5 shot will extend your power out past 35 yards.

If you have a choked barrel on your shotgun, then, you may be able to take advantage of the faster velocity you get from using more powder, depending, of course, on the degree of choke, and the load used. :thumbsup:
 
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All I ever use are 3-4 OS cards between powder and shot. If things get crusty I just thumb some lube from a small tin between the cards and that softens things up again for a few shots. Damp days I don't get a problem.

My new .58 smoothbore and 1oz of shot, cylinder barrel throws the same pattern at 30yds as my 12g cartridge auto does with a imp/mod choke in it! (with certain shells!).

Brits.
 
Chilidog said:
medic302 said:
what are you lubing the cushion wad with? if it's lubed too thickly it will stay solid and blow the pattern, if it's lubed thinly it should disintigrate.

Hmmm, that's something I hadn't thougt about. So - what do YOU lube with?

i just use a couple of tblsp of crisco, heat just enough so it melts in a small pot. insert wads in the pot and givem a swish or two. they absorb it pretty fast. then while they are still warm i put them inbetween paper towels and squeeze the excess out. they are still fragile after being lubed, they pretty much fly apart at the muzzle, i find bits of them about 5 yrds in front of me. it works for me and mine. but you and yours might be different.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I've been using gentleman Bob's method for some time (in fact, he's the one who turned me on to Jackie Brown), using the full felt wad soaked in Crisco but hadn't thought about the possibility of using too much. I do what was suggested by him and then set them on a paper towel overnite to absorb the excess.

Paul suggests quartering the felt. And while I haven't tried that I just might. I DO like the lubing effect the full wads have. Do you find the quarter wads to be just as effective?
 
Chilidog said:
medic302 said:
what are you lubing the cushion wad with? if it's lubed too thickly it will stay solid and blow the pattern, if it's lubed thinly it should disintigrate.

Hmmm, that's something I hadn't thougt about. So - what do YOU lube with?

Well, I have to admit that at my first outing a month or so ago, I had soaked them in a pot of melted Crisco and basically turned them into slugs.

This time I did just a quick dip in canola oil (not over the top). The only combo that didn't work at all was the opc with full wad. The opc and 1/2 wad, full wad alone, and 1/2 wad alone, all gave roughly similar results (at 20 yds, 80% of shot on 30x30 paper, and 1/2 of that in a 15" circle). Then it began falling apart due presumably to bore fouling.

My most basic question is whether or not the thick opc also serves a bore scraping/cleaning purpose that might extend interval between cleaning the bore?

My ultimate objective is too be able to get about 25 shots or so in a pheasant tower type shoot so anything that simplifies the process is important.

Thanks
 
You might want to try my method of making paper shot charges out of newspaper.I roll three thicknesses of news paper over a dowel rod, tie off one end with kite string.Fill with shot. twist and double over and tie the second end. I just run the shot charge down with no over shot card. I load powder, 1/2 wad (or two 1/4 inch wads ) and shot charge folded over end last down. some times I use loose powder, sometimes a wax paper powder charge made the same as the shot charges. If using a wax paper powder charge I open the paper dump in the powder then the wax paper followed by the wad and shot charge.
 
Chilidog said:
Thanks for the replies guys. I've been using gentleman Bob's method for some time (in fact, he's the one who turned me on to Jackie Brown), using the full felt wad soaked in Crisco but hadn't thought about the possibility of using too much. I do what was suggested by him and then set them on a paper towel overnite to absorb the excess.

Paul suggests quartering the felt. And while I haven't tried that I just might. I DO like the lubing effect the full wads have. Do you find the quarter wads to be just as effective?
in my gun just the slightest amount of lube seemed to work fine, plus i also use an overpowder card too, nice scraping effect.
 
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