.58/24 buckshot

[CapPopper]

Doing some math I don't believe I can stack 4 #4 buck in a layer (come out to right at .600 across) kind of at a loss to figure up what size for three in a layer and since I couldn't find any info using the search I thought I'd ask.... What is the optimal size buckshot for the .58?will predominantly be used for close range moving coyotes. Was wanting to use buck cause I can buy a mold and I don't see any F shot molds (4 in a layer would only be .55) and thought I'd come here to evaluate my options on coyote shot loads. Went with a smoothbore .58 cause kibler didn't offer anything bigger and I figured this way I can use it for anything I want. Any experience in this area would be greatly appreciated. Thanks on advance!

 

[Historian]

Try looking at www.martysarms.com for any size buckshot molds. I have 4 of them.

 

[Britsmoothy]

Has it got to be four in a layer?

 

[CapPopper]

Has it got to be four in a layer?

No but I can do the math on 4 in a layer lol 3 would be fine but I'm not sure on that math. The coyotes here get pretty big 50-60 pounds is not unusual. I also feel like 2 in a layer may not perform as good as it could.

 

[CapPopper]

Try looking at www.martysarms.com for any size buckshot molds. I have 4 of them.

Thats a great source

 

[Britsmoothy]

Any use?

 

[CapPopper]

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Any use?

I believe so. I came out with #4 being over .6 across though.... My math can most certainly be wrong though. Is that a chart someone made or some program? And is this saying that #4 is .517 across or .579? I won't know exact bore diameter until I actually have the gun.

 

[Britsmoothy]

I believe so. I came out with #4 being over .6 across though.... My math can most certainly be wrong though. Is that a chart someone made or some program? And is this saying that #4 is .517 across or .579? I won't know exact bore diameter until I actually have the gun.

It is a little puzzling, the diagram.
I did a Google search for it.
https://images.app.goo.gl/JTBwQ9svSNYc9PBr7

 

[CapPopper]

It is a little puzzling, the diagram.
I did a Google search for it.
https://images.app.goo.gl/JTBwQ9svSNYc9PBr7

Thats how the diagram looks..... I reckon I can always start a card and see if .243 bullets will sit in there in a quantity of 4. Should be close enough to know before I start spending money. Though I have been wondering since ranges will probably be under 30 (unlike what they do with modern guns) if something like BB or T shot with more pellets would perform better..... But by my math it seems the gap in the middle of the 4 pellets adds about a half a pellet diameter to the whole thing. Then I set them down and measured them with my mics and came out really close to what my math told me.... You would think there would be a solid mathematical equation available to figure this out but I can't find one..... Everything about sphere packing I can find is based on volume vs density and though that will tell me how many will fit on an area it doesn't really help on size of the spheres.

 

[Grenadier1758]

You will naad a wad or card to seal the powder charge so excess gas doesn't blow through the layer of balls.

 

[Britsmoothy]

You will naad a wad or card to seal the powder charge so excess gas doesn't blow through the layer of balls.

I got better power and patterns from a few thin cards than I did with a ball of brown paper!

 

[Britsmoothy]

Thats how the diagram looks..... I reckon I can always start a card and see if .243 bullets will sit in there in a quantity of 4. Should be close enough to know before I start spending money. Though I have been wondering since ranges will probably be under 30 (unlike what they do with modern guns) if something like BB or T shot with more pellets would perform better..... But by my math it seems the gap in the middle of the 4 pellets adds about a half a pellet diameter to the whole thing. Then I set them down and measured them with my mics and came out really close to what my math told me.... You would think there would be a solid mathematical equation available to figure this out but I can't find one..... Everything about sphere packing I can find is based on volume vs density and though that will tell me how many will fit on an area it doesn't really help on size of the spheres.

Even if four don't sit perfectly flat but nearly, they will when gravity increases violently!

 

[Britsmoothy]

Any use?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_packing_in_a_circle

 

[CapPopper]

Any use?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_packing_in_a_circle

Actually yes once I figured out what to do with the numbers. Looks like it's a constant regardless of what the ball size is and also accurately corresponds to the diagram you posted. So as long as the bore on a smootbore kibler .58 actually measures .58 it looks like #4 buck will fit 4 in a layer, But only just .579 is very close to .58. may be worth dropping down one size but if they fit I reckon like you said they certainly will once the gravity rapidly increases lol thank you very much for the link I spent 40 minutes looking the other day and never came across that one.