777 any good in a flintlock?

Hey Guys,

Never used this stuff but a guy on another forum asked about it. I told him no idea but I hear it is more corrosive than black. Was I correct, knew I read and heard it somewhere...or at least I thought I did. lol

Billy

 

[bwhoffman]

No.
these really like "Real" Black powder!

 

[ol vern]

I tried a pound of it was not impresed. Works ok in a cap lock but in a flinter you still have to
use some black powder under the main charge and in the pan. Just can't see the point of carrying two different powder horns around.

 

[jtmattison]

It's supposed to be much less corrosive than black and only need water for cleanup.
It has a high ignition temp so you'd need a charge of black or maybe pyrodex to get it burning.

Not made for flintlocks.

HD

 

[bioprof]

It doesn't work very well in the percussion rifles that I used to have either. I got two shots and then nothing but misfires. It's a waste of money in my opinion.

 

[BrownBear]

Two of my huntin pards swear by it in their cap guns- both Lyman's and TC Hawkens. Very reliable ignition and long shooting sessions without swabbing, meanwhile giving enviable accuracy. I'd try it myself if I didn't have a whole bunch of Pyrodex that I inheritted. If you can't get real black in your area, you're not a sinner for using it. Lots of fire and brimstone to the contrary around here, but look em in the eye and laugh. If it works for you, use it.

 

[biliff]

As others have said it won't work in a flintlock unless you prime the pan with real BP and use a small BP charge under the 777.

 

[swquiro]

Amen!!

 

[MSW]

what the bear man said. if you can't get the real BP in your area, i suppose you're stuck with it, and then you'll have to prime and put some real BP under the 'sub' charge, whcih rather begs the question, where'd you get the real BP for the primer etc.?

anyway, i'f stick to the real stuff if it works for you.

(i've used it in caplock and c&b revolvers and it's OK, but since i already have the real stuff, what's the point?)

 

[bart_anastasi]

Used about a pound or two of it just to try and I had nothing else around. In a 54 using PRB and Maxi's.

Worked good but other shooters near me were complaining of the delay in my guns shooting even with a mag #11 cap. Not that I cared. Maybe I just did not notice after a while but it ticked them off no end. Which I started to like.

The stuff does not smoke much which I miss. As far as accuracy it worked good.

As for re-coile did not like it at all.

The quicker burning turns your rifle into a modern feeling thing.

You will start to need bore buttons and over powder wads with heavy loads which I think is asking for trouble to protect patches and conicals.

Clean up on the hands was better but for gun cleaning not needing soap or just plain water clean up means nothing to me.

Not smelling BP during clean up is OK but is that why you are shooting these things. And is it worth the extra trouble with burned thru patches etc.

I am going to clean up with a bit of soap (Ivory Bar) or sometimes Murphys Oil soap in the guns Hot water any way so that makes no sense since I think the clean up of Bore Butter works better with a bit of soap. IMHO.

 

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NO !!!

 

[Rat Trapper]

Doesn't work very well in a flinter. Does work well in most cap locks. CCI #11 mag caps, and hot shot nipples seem to help when using this powder. Musket caps may also help, but have not tried any musket caps yet.

 

Thanks guys, will pass the info along...

 

[Kentuckywindage]

i tried it. 10 grains 4f Went down the bore first and then 80 grains fffg triple 7. Went off good and the first shot was dead on @ 100 yards but the next 3 were all 11" low. I switched to pyrodex p with 10 grains 4f as a booster and all of the next 4 shots were great. Triple 7 isnt consistant enough for me to use. Wont even use it in my sidelocks anymore.

Real black powder only in my flinters.

 

[gacitizen]

Works but too long of a delay in a flintlock. Cleans up easy and allows many shots between wiping. On humid days I had many misfires using a caplock.

 

[Herb]

For the edification of all.

This is a .58 Green River barreled fullstock flintlock I completed recently. If you can't read the targets, the one on the left is 90 grains of Swiss 1 1/2 (all are .562 cast balls) at 1507 fps. Next, 90 grains of Triple 7 2F at 1727 fps. Then 100 grains of Goex 2F at 1525 fps, eight shots. Then 100 grains of Triple 7 2F at 1801 fps, 25 fps spread for 10 shots. I measure the Triple 7 and then tap the measure to settle it 5 grains and top it off with Goex 2F, which I also prime with. Yes, this is a little more work, but there was no cleaning or wiping between shots for any of these targets, shot on successive days. Fired 13 black powder shots before the Triple 7 on the right. Triple 7 works very well in blackpowder rifles, including flintlocks, if you know how to use it.

 

[Claude Mathis]

Thanks guys, will pass the info along...

Or, have him join us and get the info directly from the experts. :wink:

 

I tried that first, didn't think he took a peek so I thought I'd help him out some more. :wink:

 

[kevthebassman]

It works fine in my caplock, I think a flinter is better off using real black.