89 grains?

[newtewsmoke]

new pedersoli dbl 12 ga stamped "89 grains bp only", "1/14 oz shot" on the barrel, is this the max charge they reccomend? what if i go over? id think a gun that costs as much as these would be made of good enuf quility to not burst with borderline max loads but maybe not??? thanks Scott.

 

[roundball]

Don't know...maybe there's an explanation on their website?

 

[Comrade Coffin]

new pedersoli dbl 12 ga stamped "89 grains bp only", "1/14 oz shot"

Good afternoon Scott, that seems like rather a low load to me for a 12 gauge; I have a 12 gauge flinter that I shoot regularly & I use about double that. I have a pedesoli manual at home & I shall see what it says about loads.

 

[SgtSchutzen]

I don`t know much about muzzleloading shotguns as I just got my first one and haven`t even shot it yet. Mine is also not Pedersoli but CVA, however that is also what is listed as a max load for mine. I got the original instruction book with my gun and this is a quote directly from it.

"CAUTION: A shot charge in excess of 1 1/4 ounces is considered unsafe and should not be used. A powder charge in excess of the volume area occupied by 1 1/4 ounce of shot is considered unsafe and should not be used. Do not use an unbalanced load (more shot than powder or visa versa). Do not use 3f (fffg) black powder."

Seems like a kinda light load for a 12ga to me also but that`s what the book says. I`ll bet it`s a "lawyer proof" thing as I know I`ve seen posts on here where guy`s are shooting heavier loads than that. Also using 3f powder and lot`s of "unbalanced" load recomendations show up on here. Hope this helps.

 

[rafterob]

The pedersoli is a fine quality shotgun. I'm sure you are good for a stouter load.80 grns and 1 1/4 oz. is a typical recommended 12g load.Most guys I have talked to are between that and 90 grns 1 1/2 oz.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

That load is 3¼ drams, and 1¼ ounce of shot is a fine load for upland game. Perhaps it's for the novice, to avoid blowing the pattern? Or, as suggested, it's some sort of liability stuff.

LD

 

[tg]

The "do not use an unbalanced load" sounds like it is from way out in left field, equal voulmes of shot and powder have long been the "norm" for ML shotguns but by no means a safety factor or "requirement". I suspect that whoever wrote up the information here was a situation of a little bit of knowlegde and a lot of guess work.It is quite common now to use less powder than shot to keep the patterns tighter. It would probably be a good idea for someone with a better ML background/understanding to write their instruction manuel IMHO. I think one could get much better loading/shooting information from the many long time ML shotgunners on this forum. Quite often we find some very questionable ML information in print from various sources in many different publications and it is a good thing to check for other sources for "second opinions" on many of the issues. it is hard to say where much of their "data" come from or wjether it is relevant of what degree of accuracy it contains.

 

[newtewsmoke]

that seems like rather a low load to me for a 12 gauge.

that's what i was thinkin also, i have shot 100 grns thru it a couple times tho, again... a gun that costs as much as these had better hold together, within reason of course.

 

[Golfswithwolves]

That max load would be an excellent one and it is equivalent to a modern 2 3/4" shotshell load. If your shotgun has a bit of choke there is not much reason to try for a heavier loading for most hunting; with no choke it's still a fine close-range load. :2

 

[majg1234]

"field" load for a 12 bore but proceed @ your own risk FYI, my 20ga load is a heavier than that for turkey :idunno:

 

[wilded]

Remember the Pedersoli is not a true 12 gauge but a 13 gauge as a plastic wad fits in the barrel perfectly just as it does in a shotgun shell. Their 10 gauge is really and 11 gauge. :idunno:

 

[Austringer]

Hi, FWIW my 2004 Pedersoli 12g sxs measures 727 in both barrels with the left barrel measuring 706 at the muzzle i.e a true 12g with 1/2 choke in LH barrel. Mine also has 89grains and 1 1/4 oz on the action but does not specify this as a maximum load. I usually use 70+ grains 2F with 1 1/4 oz shot, but have only used it for a bit of clay shooting and have yet to pattern it and develope a load for game shooting as I have not had it long

 

[mtmshieldshotmail.com]

Remember the Pedersoli is not a true 12 gauge but a 13 gauge as a plastic wad fits in the barrel perfectly just as it does in a shotgun shell. Their 10 gauge is really and 11 gauge. :idunno:

That's true of older Pedersoli shotguns, but not for newer versions. Only way to know for sure is to measure it.
Regards,
Mike

 

[paulvallandigham]

There are 3 ways to find the right load and pattern for any shotgun.

First: read the V.M.Starr article on Bob Spenser's website- BlackPowderNotebook.

Second: ACTUALLY shoot patterns on paper and count the pellets.

Third: Test the penetration of pellets down range by shooting into metal cans made of steel- not aluminum. Tuna fish, juices, and even Brown beans still come in steel cans.

Yes, to answer your question, that language is to protect the company from idiots who can't wait to test a gun to see if they can blow it up. Lawyers write the language to give their client an absolute defense to this kind of behavior. What with the marketing of substitute powders with the word "black" appearing in the title, and people ignoring the factory recommendations to reduce the amount of a substitute powder to reach a comparable load of true Black powder, its a wonder that any company still sells these guns.

You can win the lawsuits filed, but at what cost? Lawyers are not free, nor are the experts you have to hire to examine the gun, and do the tests to determine and prove the Plaintiff is lying about what happened.

It doesn't help when people on this forum brag about using much heavier loads routinely in these guns! :shocked2: :shake: :nono:

 

[Loyalist Dave]

It doesn't help when people on this forum brag about using much heavier loads routinely in these guns!

Perhaps not but I did not see such in this thread. The original poster mentioned an 11 grain increase to 100 grains, which doesn't even approach the proof load done on the barrels in Italy, another mentions a load 19 grains lower, and the same load of shot. Only the 20 gauge reference for turkey mentions a "heavier" load, and does not specify how much heavier.

Ah, but perhaps you meant other postings on shotguns?

LD

 

[Lorne Johnson]

Remember the Pedersoli is not a true 12 gauge but a 13 gauge as a plastic wad fits in the barrel perfectly just as it does in a shotgun shell. Their 10 gauge is really and 11 gauge. :idunno:

Actually, the bore diameters of pedersolis have changed quite a bit over time. For the past several years the 12's have come through at about .727, which is certainly not 13 gauge. Old
12's were typically around .710, which is about 134 gauge.

My 10 gauge is .762 and .764, so maybe it was an 11 and honed at some point.

 

[barnettshale]

I believe I may have gotten this link from here but as I'm old and can barely remember yesterday I will post it. Some good information contained here, some new, some old. I enjoyed reading through the different articles and looking at some of the videeos. I have two doubles, one a navy Arms I have had since the 80's and a CVA I just traded for that appears to have never been fired. Good luck. http://www.muzzleloadingshotguns.com/articles

 

[Rifleman1776]

Remember the Pedersoli is not a true 12 gauge but a 13 gauge as a plastic wad fits in the barrel perfectly just as it does in a shotgun shell. Their 10 gauge is really and 11 gauge. :idunno:

They varied considerably. My Pedersoli Brown Bess, built from a Navy Arms kit in 1976 is really around an 11 ga. I use .731 patched round balls in it and 11 ga. wads with shot.
It works very happily with a 75 gr. charge. And with a round ball and that charge, methinks, it would stop anything walking this continent. That is a 588 grain hunk of lead or 1.34 ounces. Ouch!

 

[hounddog]

Gents, I have a older model ped 12 ga, turkey and trap model. mine also says 89 gr powder and 1 1/4 oz shot. by the way both of my bbls are ,675 measured that like 2x full hence the turky and trap monicer hounddog

 

[paulvallandigham]

A .675 bore diameter is a 15 gauge bore( nominally .677")

A full choke in a nominal 12 ga. bore( nominally .729") would be 40 thousandth in bore diameter more narrow, or .689". remove 14 thousandths more would give you a very definite "Extra Full choke" in that barrel! The problem you have using such a tight choke, in a smooth bore MLer is finding the right sized, and type of wad to get a good seal IN the barrel, while allowing you to get that wad or card down thru such a tight choke constriction without damaging the wad/card. The Wool wads can certainly make it thru such a constriction, but are not known for providing the best gas seals. Perhaps using a combination of pre-lubed felt wads, and OS cards will give you a means to clean and lube the bore easily in the field, while getting a better gas seal from using the 12 ga. cards. The cards should still have an off-center hole in them to let air pass out of the bore, to preserve the edges for best seals, and to stop the annoying "dieseling" you get when you run those cards down the bore w/o the hole in them. :hmm: :thumbsup: