A wheellock's correct name

[milchev]

I've got a picture of some interesting type of the wheellock


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This lock is cocked when the **** is pulled back. The half-circle part of the wheel is attached to the **** and when the trigger is pulled this half-circle detail scratch the pyrite, attached to the dog.
Is there a special definition for this kind of wheellock?

 

[TFoley]

I would call it a self-spanning/self-cocking/keyless wheelock firearm [a rifle, by the appearance of the backsight?] Ingenious in the extreme for the time - you need never worry about losing your spanner key.

Incidentally, the English word 'spanner' - US 'wrench' - is a direct lift from the old High German word 'Spannen', 'to **** [a firearm or a crossbow]. Just sounds better to me in German.

Apologies for the digression.

tac, registered and documented PITA

 

[shawra]

From memory that is a segment wheellock -usually Scandinavian, where they many appear.

 

[milchev]

I've made this picture here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Historical_Museum_of_Artillery,_Engineers_and_Signal_Corps

and there was description saying that it's a smoothbore piece of 9 mm caliber, made in Germany in early XVII century presumably by Hans Fleischer.
This gun is equipped with two flip-up sights and the lock is called "терочный" which mean "friction lock".

 

[milchev]

Actually it's from Germany.

 

[milchev]

By the way - there was another one piece with a similar lock but it was from France - later I'll post a picture of it.

 

[TFoley]

I've made this picture here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Historical_Museum_of_Artillery,_Engineers_and_Signal_Corps

and there was description saying that it's a smoothbore piece of 9 mm caliber, made in Germany in early XVII century presumably by Hans Fleischer.
This gun is equipped with two flip-up sights and the lock is called "терочный" which mean "friction lock".

Sounds fine to me. After all, that's exactly what even an ordinary wheellock firearm is.

BTW, I'd like to see the rest of your Bulgarian P08. Off this forum, of course....

tac

 

[milchev]

This one is French and, as you can see, it's perfectly similar to the German piece:



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Sounds fine to me. After all, that's exactly what even an ordinary wheellock firearm is.

Well, I thought that there is some special definition for this device - like a local lock's specimens (Tschinke, dog lock, miquelet, Baltic lock etc).

BTW, I'd like to see the rest of your Bulgarian P08. Off this forum, of course....

tac

Sorry, but this is only a picture - in Russia handgun's possession is totally forbidden for civilians.

 

[Alden]

Marin;
Beautiful pictures. 90 to 120-arc-degrees of 801+ F degrees of spark!

I didn't know you could not own handguns there. Someday, after Americans are no longer allowed perhaps...

 

[milchev]

Marin;
Beautiful pictures. 90 to 120-arc-degrees of 801+ F degrees of spark!

I have a couple of interesting pictures from Russian and Baltic museums - a lot of pre-flintlock systems.
I hope it's not a bad idea to post some of them, isn't it?

I didn't know you could not own handguns there. Someday, after Americans are no longer allowed perhaps...

I can't even buy muzzleloading gun - I'm living in St.Petersburg, but my registration (You can read about this here) is in another town, so I can't install a gun locker in my flat and without this locker I can't buy any gun.

And in case of USA:

 

[Alden]

I have a couple of interesting pictures from Russian and Baltic museums - a lot of pre-flintlock systems.
I hope it's not a bad idea to post some of them, isn't it?

More pictures here would be appreciated by all! Maybe in another thread dedicated to them...

 

[milchev]

More pictures here would be appreciated by all! Maybe in another thread dedicated to them...

Yes, of course: one thread for miquelets, one - for Baltic locks etc.

I'm particularly interested on Baltic locks - in Northern Russia this kind of locks was in use up to the last quarter of XIX century. It has a great benefit - you can close the flash pan with a swinging cover and pull the **** to the full-**** position without danger of an A.D. And if you'll see the game you'll just swing out the pan cover - you don't have to pull the **** to full-**** position with a loud click.

 

[Fernando Keilty]

It is not as self-spanning. The segment of the wheel rotate by the large lever

Fernando, Argentina

 

[TFoley]

It is not as self-spanning. The segment of the wheel rotate by the large lever

Fernando, Argentina

Thank you, yes, I see that. However, you do not need a spanner key to **** it, as you do with an ordinary wheellock, hence my description.

tac

 

[milchev]

It is not as self-spanning. The segment of the wheel rotate by the large lever

Fernando, Argentina

I understand that we cannot call it self-spanning in terms of "true wheellocks", because in self-spanning wheellocks the wheel is spanned by the dog. In aforementioned device the wheel is spanned by the separate lever. But anyway in this lock the key is omitted.

Fernando, may be You can provide me with the special definition of this kind of lock?

 

[milchev]

Thank you, yes, I see that. However, you do not need a spanner key to **** it, as you do with an ordinary wheellock, hence my description.

tac

I second this.

Definitely we need to find a description for this kind of lock, as I told, Russians call it "friction lock".