ALL TC OWNERS - NEWS and a WARNING!

[Walks Alone]

A very reliable source (old friend and hunting pard) called me tonight with news that will rock your world. It comes from a visit with a friend and TC employee at the SHOT Show. Hearsay still, but probably pretty reliable.

Supposedly TC is being sold to Remington, and it will happen very fast. S&W is keeping the barrel making and modern rifle potion of the business only and moving it to their own facility. S&W never owned the investment casting portion, it was a separate entity within TC, so apparently that is what Big Green is buying. The all but already gone TC traditional muzzleloader business may be going to Remington too, or just auctioned off, but also something he is not sure of because he didn't think to ask. So they too may soon be gone. And the TC rep told him that with certainty if anybody needs parts for their Contender's, G2's, Encores or ML's, they better act fast, as in by the end of this month unless they want to try to deal with Remington for them later.

Big Green has pretty much destroyed the other holdings its bought the fast few years, so this may be the start of the end of the TC pistol/carbine AND traditional ML platforms.

Hopefully a press release will confirm a full disclosure soon, so only take this as it was offered until then please. I trust my firend, he trusts his at TC, but until its confirmed by S&W and/or Remington you may just want to hold your breath.

WA

 

[Josh Smith]

On the other hand, maybe Remington will redeem themselves through a line of brand new, totally HC fine muzzleloading firearms very decent prices! :thumbsup:

Well, one can hope! :idunno:

Josh

 

[JMinnerath]

You live in a pretty small out of touch world if you think that's going to happen.
We all better be thankful there's still some European makers left who will supply some moderately priced production models for the BP crowd.

 

[Josh Smith]

You live in a pretty small out of touch world if you think that's going to happen.

Well, one can hope! :idunno:

Maybe I should have said "wish"? The two are synonyms in my mind though.

The upside is that my New Englander will skyrocket in price! :blah:

Josh

 

[Pete Gaimari]

Remington owns Marlin too. I don't see it as anything to worry about.

 

[necchi]

What can be hoped for is someone will pick up the casting and maintain a supply of parts for the millions of guns out there. It should be a large enough market to keep several employed in a profitable buisness.
Much like CVA and Deercreek.
The lifetime warrenty will fall by the wayside, I'm sure it's a huge money pit. All BS aside they are a good reliable gun with servicable parts and most of the warrenty work is from neglect, after all, a rusty bore or un-lubed lock an trigger or loose screws isn't really a manufacturing problem.

They have gracefully made these repairs for along time, but I'd like to talk to some of their repair techs, I'll bet they could tell you ALOT of stories of things they've seen.

 

[JMinnerath]

And Remington is owned by Cerberus Capital Management, a huge investment organization.
Along with a surprising number of familiar sporting goods names.
Bad thing about those management companies is that if something they own starts to show a drop in the bottom line, they'll give them the ax in a heartbeat.

 

[ApprenticeBuilder]

All the more reason to quit supporting the greedy conglomerates, and start supporting the artisans that supply the custom market with high quality parts and kits and exceptional customer service.
:hatsoff:

 

[Pete Gaimari]

And Remington is owned by Cerberus Capital Management, a huge investment organization.
Along with a surprising number of familiar sporting goods names.
Bad thing about those management companies is that if something they own starts to show a drop in the bottom line, they'll give them the ax in a heartbeat.

Exactly. The same thing is happening to the fishing companies.

It was that, or go out of business.

 

[Walks Alone]

Remington owns Marlin too. I don't see it as anything to worry about.

Many, many opinions have differed on that one (ever since Marlin was acquired by Big Green) FWIW.

 

[Swampman]

Big Green has pretty much destroyed the other holdings its bought the fast few years,

False.....They've improved every company they've bought.

Glad to see things looking up at T/C.

 

[kelleyjk]

This is not really all that world rocking if you think about it.

Lots more Contenders and Encores out there generating lots more money than the quote unquote, T/C "Hawken" rifle or modernized Renegades. I doubt they will be abandoned. I think the target market for a Renegade was the BP hunter, and we all know which product has supplanted that :shocked2:

 

[Pete Gaimari]

Remington owns Marlin too. I don't see it as anything to worry about.

Many, many opinions have differed on that one (ever since Marlin was acquired by Big Green) FWIW.

Yes, I know. I'm on the Marlin forum. The bottom line is you can still buy a Marlin made by Marlin.

I still don't see anything to worry about.

 

[Kentuckywindage]

TC over pimped their brand and now look where it got them.

 

[Pete Gaimari]

TC over pimped their brand and now look where it got them.

Made in America = $$$

 

[rawhide]

the companys name is armscore. they own reminton marlin nef and citdal. I don't know may be interseting. wonder why the want t/c? hope to find out soon. I deal with armscore all the time with my job.

 

[Geraldo]

You know, I really get tired of "sky is falling" predictions.

The only thing that surprises me is that TC still makes a sidehammer muzzleloader. If they had to pay the light bill on Hawken sales they'd have gone under a long time ago. What would rock my world is if TC came out with an expanded line of sidehammer muzzleloaders.

 

[Walks Alone]

TC over pimped their brand and now look where it got them.

Where it got them in almost 44 years is respected as one of the best fiream MFG's in this country, with a warranty that became the model for other firearm MFG's to strive for. Respected by at least their million plus loyal customers and at least a few of their competitors. The break-action platforms that have been the backbone of their company from the start are still on top and still the best readily available of their kind for reasonable cost. Sure their traditonal muzzies have suffered from changing times and attitudes, but then so have they for all the companies that make/made them. TC's biggest business mistake probably was trying to break into modern rifles - not their field, with not enough resources and against massive long established competition. That's not much different than those that tried to unseat their dominance of the reasonably priced break-action, switch barrel pistol and rifle field. Unfortunately the lawyers got rid of the Contender that was TC's staple for 30+ years and current affairs may send their replacement G2's away as well, but I seriously doubt the Encores will ever go away.

Just the opinion of one of those loyal customers who used and owned far more (in sheer numbers) of their products than the vast majority, and continually since 1968.

FWIW

 

[Walks Alone]

You know, I really get tired of "sky is falling" predictions.

The only thing that surprises me is that TC still makes a sidehammer muzzleloader. If they had to pay the light bill on Hawken sales they'd have gone under a long time ago. What would rock my world is if TC came out with an expanded line of sidehammer muzzleloaders.

Maybe you'll notice I said in the OP its hearsay and not officially confirmed. So yes, the TC Rep at the SHOT Show may be AKA Chicken Little. But an update is an update when so many are affected by what is transpiring. So most would consider any news offered responsibly as better than no news at all.

"Hopefully a press release will confirm a full disclosure soon, so only take this as it was offered until then please..... until its confirmed by S&W and/or Remington....."

TC's light bills have been paid for almost 44 years by the Contender/G2/Encore platforms, not the muzzies.

With the way the bulk of the muzzleloader business has changed to "modern" platforms, I'm surprised anybody still makes entry level sidelocks. You can pretty well be sure your world won't be rocked though. TC had its hayday with expanded sidelock models long ago, but they obviously were not money makers to a high enough level to continue to offer them.

 

[paradox]

Maybe if a few of us go work at T/C for a fair sum, they'd reconsider selling/etc. anybody in?