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I would like to see some photos of an officers commisioned fusil,musket .
a piece that would have been made privately for an officer. not issued.
 
Check the thread on this forum, "Chamber's New England Fowler" Post NO.247619 by Mike Brooks. While the gun posted by Mike is American and stocked in curly maple,the stock architecture is very English in appearance and with some military motiffs engraved on the furniture and an English walnut stock,it would be very close to a privately made fusil carried by an English officer of means.There were.I'm sure fusils closer in appearance to the Besses but slimmer and with small calibers were made fot junior officers of less affluence.
Tom Patton
 
These officer's privately made fusils were made in England by the better makers such as Manton,Twigg,and Barbar and often the only way they can be distinguished from civilian fowlers is the presence of military motiffs engraved in the furniture. Remember too that the finest fowlers were mounted in silver,usually hallmarked with iron being the next best and brass the least expensive.One Maker who produced a number of these private guns was I Ludlam probably of London.
Tom Patton
 
I'm not looking to start something here, but I was always under the impression that this was what NSW's "Ranger" gun was supposed to represent. (though on the lower affluence scale)
 
There were plenty of production guns of very high quality and price being made as English makers were very competitive with one another. It was probably unusual for an officer to have a piece commissioned, unless the officer was of very high rank, perhaps, an aristocrat.
 
rich pierce said:
There were plenty of production guns of very high quality and price being made as English makers were very competitive with one another. It was probably unusual for an officer to have a piece commissioned, unless the officer was of very high rank, perhaps, an aristocrat.

The British Government didn't issue specialized or gun specificly made for issue to officers. If you were an officer and wanted to carry something other then an issued brown bess,( THE HORROR!) you had to have the gun commisioned out of your own pocket. Any officer of rank had a certain level of social standing he had to maintain, and carrying a comman issued musket wasn't going to cut the mustard.
There are miniturized musket types that are highly decorated and feature a more refined lock and smaller bore. Fowler/muskets were also quite popular, they looked just like the sporting gun of the period, but the stocks were cut back for a little mini bayonette that often was stored in a trap in the buttstock. Then there were also fowling guns that were in every way the typical high end sporting gun, but were decorated with military motifs.
Pistols were the same way, officers of rank commisioned their own pieces from private makers.
 
I guess I am confused over the term, "commissioned". I am not familiar enough with the documentation of the best London gunshops, or even the high grade ones to know whether their "better" guns were truly custom pieces or not. I know that fine makers made many grades of guns for the market. This is evident from early times in several nations- note the "chief's grade" fusil fins, for example, which had chiseled mounts, gold inlays, you name it- and were made not "on commission by some chief"- they were batch made on order. There are plenty of fine fusils around that bear little other than the owners initials on the wrist inlay to suggest they were commissioned. Probably somewhere there is some documentation that Captain Smith or Jones or Brown, a middle rank officer, ordered a custom fusil from one of the better gunhouses for use as a military gun.
 
By commisioned I mean The officer paid his own money to the private gunmaker to build him his gun. The british government didn't furnish any other guns to officers other than what was standard issue.
 
No doubt some officers commissioned long guns, but I was under the impression that the higher ranking officers (those likely to afford the better guns) more typically carried pistols and swords. An officer's role in combat is different from the common soldier. Command and Control (and Lead for the better ones). If he had a nice fowler, it was likely for sport hunting (he would just send his men to forage). The officers who went with militia or NA allies on certain missions might carry a longgun.
 
Mike: I have seen and held a 12 Ga, Side by Side, double barrel shotgun, made by the Tower Armory in London, flintlock, double throat hammers, 36 inch barrels, sling swivel on the front of the trigger guard, with all the British Crown markings, etc. I am also sure this was not standard issue, but was a commissioned work and paid for by some aristocratic officer, in all likelihood. It was in a private collection. The balance was exquisite, even tho' the gun weighed a substantial amount. The buttplate was almost 3 inches across, and the length of pull was only 12& 1/2 inches. Even with this short length of pull, I had no difficulty mounting it to my shoulder and looking right down the rib, in spite of being over 6' tall.

I believe that officers commissioned many different guns for their service to the crown, depending on how wealthy their family fortunes were. While pistols were common, as well as the ever present sword( they didn't have to be " reloaded") long guns were also ordered and made to specifications. Capt. Ferguson ordered his own " breech loading " rifle and had 500 of them made for his troops. Only a few were actually issued, but he was wealthy enough to afford to pay for them himself. What are there now, 2 known to exist?
 
British officers provided their own fusils which varied according to the officer's taste and affluence.The mounts were usually but not always engraved with martial motifs and also were often fitted with sling swivels,bayonet lugs, and the stock cut back to accept the bayonet.They were mounted in silver,iron,and brass in declining level of expense.Some had the owner's initials or coat of arms engraved on a wrist escutcheon. I have compiled a short list of these fusils which were sometimes called Fusil Muskets. The term Fusil is a French one pronounced Fuzee in French and during the 17th and early 18th century applied to those long arms with a flint and steel ignition with the term "Mousquette" referring to matchlock arms.With the phasing out of the Matchlock in the early 18th century,the earlier term "Fusil"came to mean Musket.The term "Fusil" was "borrowed" by the British in the 18th century to denote a slimmed down gun with a shorter barrel and carbine bore of about .65-.70 cal.The French so called "chief"s grade Fusil fins with ornate decorations were built in France,Liege,and the low countries and transhipped to New France[Montreal Merchants records]where those made by Tulle were gifted to selected Indian Chiefs.I haven't gone into French officer's guns but assume that what I have said earlier as to British officer's fusils is also applicable.I have an image of the barrel[only]of Montcalm's fusil and it is extremely ornate with engraving and damascening.

I went to the books and found 6 examples of these British "Officer's" fusils.These are as follows:

"The History of Weapons of the American Revolution" by George C. Neuman
1.P.62,M.14, English Fusil Musket brass mts,37+in bbl.,sideplate similar to the Royal Forester's light dragoon carbine,.68 cal.lock signed by I Ludlam[also shown in Battle Weapons infra]
2.P.118 M.97,English Light Dragoon Carbine{Variation}31 + in.bbl.,.68 cal.brass mts.,signed by I Ludlam on lock.std.sideplate.

"Collectors Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American Revolution by Neuman and Kravic,P65 No.2 English Light Dragoon Carbine,variation 31+ bbl.,cal. unknown signed I Ludlam on lock

"Battle Weapons of the American Revolution" by George C.Neuman ,P.71 21 mm.,English Officer's Fusil,40 in. bbl.,.74 cal.top bayonet stud,brass mts.signed Ketland on lock

"Weapons of the American Revolution" by Warren Moore,P.89 Officer's Cavalry Carbine,37in. bbl, mounts unknown,belt hook, Brown Bess styling lock signed Buckmaster,{private contractor Ca.1760}

"American Military Shoulder Arms" Vol. I,Colonial and Revolutionary War Arms,Part III,065 British Military Shoulder Arms, .F, Officers'Fusil,PP.243-246. This gun is the ultimate in British Officer's Fusils from the Revolutionary War[url] period.Made[/url] by John Fox Twigg and silver mounted [hallmarks-1777-1778] it has a 37 7/8 in. bbl in .674 cal.,sling swivels[possibly original],bayonet lug 1 1/4" behind the muzzle, muzzle extension 2 1/2"walnut stock,escutcheon engraved with unidentified coat of arms,high relief floral and shell carving on the tang surround,and martial panoplies engraved on the guard bow,butt piece tang,and near the toe of the butt piece.This is one of the finest officer's fusils known.
Rich,Mike, I hope this helps.
Tom Patton
 
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Thanks, Okwaho. That helps us with what the guns were like. I was wondering whether they were pieces that were custom made for an officer, on special order, or whether the better makers had high grade guns, perhaps ready for purchase, for when campaigners came back home.
 
It's awfully hard to be humble when you're infallible and a sex symbol to boot.
What can I say?
 
Might also through out that some officer's fusils went beyond just fancy hardware. A couple noted examples have such things as two-piece, take-down stocks or "cast-off" of the butt stock to allow the shooter to mount the gun to the right shoulder but sight with the left eye. The only examples of shorter guns for officers are with the French who's Grenadier & Marine officers could get a fusil only 4 feet over-all. This would make the barrel length about 23 to 25 inches long, depending on the butt stock length.

There are also officer's fusils made by the Dutch for themselves and export. Some seem to have made their way to the colonies for use by line officers.
 
When Captain James Cook was killed in hawaii in 1779, he was carrying a double barreled flintlock fowler. Depending on your rank and tastes, the sky was the limit.
British officers weren't issued with anything (except maybe their gorgets?). Rank, sword, uniform, booze and guns were all paid for out of the officers pocket.
 

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