Another Bore Butter Question

[dlhumphrey]

I know this has been run into the ground but I can’t help myself.

I am looking for a simple recipe for homemade bore butter. My intended use if for C&B pistols (cylinder seal/lube). So many recipes include items I can’t find (bees wax, mutton, deer, bear tallow) unless I order on line.

I found the following and it sounds easy, simple, and uses available ingredients.

“I use two different lubes. For bullets I use Lyman Super Moly and for lubing my C&B Remmies I use 60% toilet seal wax mixed with 40% crisco. The 60/40 is soft enough on cold days to poke into the cylinder holes and doesn't run on hot days.
works for me.”

My question involves the toilet seal wax. I understand it is petroleum based wax and have seen numerous posts claiming petroleum products don’t react well with BP. Not sure why? Most cleaning products, rust preventers, lubes, and gun oils contain petroleum. Although most would be wiped/swabbed dry prior to loading.

So, does anybody use the toilet seal wax in their recipe?

 

[Stumpkiller]

Petroleum based products form tar when burned. The highly refined penetrating oils have very little "solids" to make the tar out of, but a glob of parafin wax like you are using might provide plenty.

Toilet rings used to be beeswax. Lord knows what they are now.

 

[BrownBear]

I just made up a series of blends with olive oil and beeswax to use for shotgun wads. The "thinnest" or 7:1, olive oil to beeswax, is about the texture of paste shoepolish, the old Kiwi kind in a can. I don't have real hot weather to speriment with around here, but I'm betting it would make a dandy C&B lube. You might adjust with a bit more beeswax if it's too soft for your heat.

My standard till now for C&B has been 3:1 deer tallow to olive oil in summer and 2:1 in summer.

In fact, below ambient temperatures of around 50, plain old crisco works just fine. It does tend to heat and run a bit if you're shooting lots and the gun is plenty warm, though.

 

[dlhumphrey]

My biggest problem is I don't have access to bees wax or for that matter mutton, deer, bear tallow.

Yes, I could order some on line but am looking for something I might be able to find locally.

 

[Jason Lewis]

dixie gun works sells beeswax.

 

[Rogue River]

Look up a local beekeeper! :thumbsup:

 

[Bill Hall]

Actually, I did use the toilet wax mixed with olive oil many years ago, and it seemed to work just fine. The only reason I quit using it was because someone, on an early internet forum, claimed that the wax was made from some kind of poly-something-something material, that would leave burned residue in the barrel. If I had never read that bit of info, I might still be using it, or maybe I would have observed the residue by now and switched to beeswax.

You could probably pick up some beeswax in Baker City or la Grande, if you ever get around to those places. Bill

 

[Supercracker]

take some toilet ring wax outside, put it on a piece of scrap metal and burn it.

See if there's a residue?

 

[poordevil]

Way back in the stone age when I started, Crisco was used for everything. It can get gooey in hot weather, but if not too hot will work well till you locate bees wax, etc.

P http://www.rudyshoney.com/ (where I order my bees wax)

 

[kwilfong]

I bought several pounds of beeswax on ebay when I started fooling with black powder cartridges. It's pretty cheap & you can mix it with other lubes to get the hardness you're after. I think it's a good idea to stay away from petroleum lubes for shooting black powder.

 

[wvbuckbuster]

Does it say on the toilet seal what it is made of?

 

[R.M.]

Beeswax can be had from any of the craft stores like Hobby Lobby. Not the cheapest place to get it, but they do carry it.

 

[Hubertus]

The local hardware store usually carries beeswax; at least they do around my neck of the woods. Worth a look-see for sure.

 

[William O.]

No, I just use beeswax and olive oil. Warm the BW just until it liquifies and then add the OO until it gets cloudy. Let it cool to see if that's the consistency you want. Add more OO for cooler temps, BS for warmer days.

 

[tiger955]

I searched high and low for beeswax till someone suggested a crafts store that sells candlemaking supplies, they have it. Perhaps go to a flea market or crafts show and get some beeswax candles would be another option.

 

[jtmattison]

Beeswax and olive oil. 60:40 oil to wax.

HD

 

[lonehunter]

take some toilet ring wax outside, put it on a piece of scrap metal and burn it.

See if there's a residue?

Dont waste your time with the toilet gasket, not made of beeswax anymore. I wish they were, i could get cases of the stuff. :v

 

[roundball]

And another viewpoint to consider...unless the goal is to precisely copy something that was done during a particular period of time back in the day, for just a few bucks a couple tubes of Natural Lube 1000 takes care of an awful lot of patches...simple, consistent, works perfectly, etc.
:wink:

 

[Rat Trapper]

Capt,
I see you were in the Americal (23rd) Div. Which Bde were you in? 11th light Inf Bde here 1968-1969.

Like Roundball posted, I'd recommend you just buy a tube or two of bore butter and go shooting. One tube lasts me a pretty long time.

 

[Maven]

Captainball, I've successfully used toilet seal wax to make Emmert's [blackpowder] Lube. Even though it's now a petroleum by-product, I had no problems with tar, accuracy, or anything else in fact. The better way, however, is to use lube-soaked* felt wads, either commercially- or home-made over the powder charge (and under the RB). Duro Felt often has the felt, but you'll need a 7/16" arch punch to cut them out.

*Crisco works fine for this, as will the toilet seal wax.