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I'm thinking about getting one, and was wondering what the overall view is on these. I was thinking about a 10ga. since I hunt lots of waterfowl, pheasants and grouse up here in North Dakota. I would like to stay away from jug choking but if I can't make a 35 yard shot I might have to, but that is why I'm leaning towards the 10ga. vs the 12.I'm going to put a rear sight on her to for round ball and am afraid a jug will blow out my pattern. So what do you guys think? I'd like to see pics of completed guns, can't find any online.
 
I have a Chamber's English Fowler, and can tell you that it is a superb piece of work, as all of Jim's stuff is. Of course, who assembles the parts determines the final outcome ... but you WILL NOT be disappointed with Jim's parts. In my opinion, you'll not find a better assemblage of parts to build a gun than Jim offers.

Nor will you find any parts groupings that will result in a more accurate reproduction than Jim's offerings. When you handle a properly assembled Chamber's kit, you ARE handling the original, for all intents and purposes. When I bought my English Fowler (from Jim himself, at his shop), I also handled the original from which it was copied. I could tell no difference in appearance save decoration, and no difference in handling.

I also think that if you choose a 10 gauge, you're going to find it of limited usefulness for shooting roundball. It takes such a lot of powder to move a ball that big smartly ... lots of recoil and blast ... and most fowlers aren't all that heavy.

If you want versatility, a 20 is a much better roundball gun. If you want a waterfowling gun, then 10 or 12 will serve you well ... but again, I think you'll end up not wanting to shoot many roundballs out of it.

Just my opinions, of course ... worth the SGR (Standard Going Rate). :shake: :grin:
 
Until you see the price of the non-toxic shot go down, I think you are asking a lot of any cylinder bore gun to take birds at 35 yards. A Bigger Bore may let you throw more shot, but its not going to improve the patterns. A longer barrel will help with the pattern, but slow the swing, unless its balanced very well.

I worked up a load in my 12 gauge, with 30 inch barrels, using an old duck hunter's load of 2 3/4 drams of FFg and 1 1/4 oz. of #5 shot to kill pheasants out past 30 yards, and I Have killed one bird at a paced off 33 yards. The bore has no choke in it.

Another member had one of his 20 gauge barrels jug choked to FULL Choke, and killed a turkey at 40 yards. Both of us were using lead shot, proving that with the right loads, and, in his case, with a jug choked barrel, longer range kills are possible. But, we are not shooting at waterfowl with non-toxic shot. I know from my own testing that steel shot, fired from a cylinder bore gun is not going to do it out at 35-40 yards unless you get lucky and get a pellet to the head. I have spent enough time at goose clubs, watching steel shot bounce off Canada geese to have little faith in steel shot beyond 30 yards.

Our Mike Brooks makes wonderful Long Barreled fowlers, but not everyone else does.

A long barreled fowler that is not balanced and feels very muzzle heavy can be used well for duck and goose hunting, but its a bit of a distraction trying to hit busted pheasants flying any direction. Unless you have a very fast lock, and learn the timing of it, the pass through technique of shooting moving targets is going to have to be married to the " sustained lead" technique, in the form of a longer follow-through period, to hit those pheasants with any flintlock fowler.

N. Dakota is known for both its pheasant hunting and its pothole country. The later supports a lot of duck and geese hunting opportunities. I think you have to decide how you can do both with the same gun. A modified Jug choke should work for both pheasants, and with 30-35 yard ducks and geese, but not much further, unless the Ecotungsten shot prices come down to where mere mortals can afford to use it. However, if you jug choke the gun to any constriction, it may not be as accurate a round ball barrel with such a choke.

Personally, I would recommend working with a fowler with a 36-38 inch barrel, as a compromise, and with better hopes of getting a gun that balances well. I would stay with 12 gauge, simply because the 10 gauge gets to be a bit much on upland game.

Again, its a compromise. You can download any smoothbore to shoot lighter gauge loads. You just can't make a long barreled, 8 pound gun move as lively as a shorter barreled, 5 pound gun. I am used to hunting pheasants with an 8 lb.+ shotgun, so the added weight is not a problem. But the balance point of my gun is between my hands, so that moving the long barrel is no problem. A well-made fowler will also have its balance point between your hands.

Of course, my advice is no better than anyone else's, and its always worth what you paid for it. :rotf: :surrender: :hmm: :hatsoff:
 
This Chambers gun, as well as most high quality fowlers with correctly made barrels on the market today balance just in front of the lock.
 
Mike, those sure are nice, I've seen your work before and it is truely remarkable. Do you think as a beginner, this would be a good kit to go with and I was wondering what the most common bore size was. I don't recall ever seeing an original 10 bore.
 
Mike, if it is not revealing a trade secret, Could you give a few words on how you obtained the finish on the walnut stocked fowler. I'm working on a smoothbore and really,really like that finish. :bow: The finish on the barrel that is, not that the finish on the stock isn't eye catching also.
 
I agree that a large bore fowler is not really a great choice for both round ball and shot, and that any cylinder bore is about a 30 yard gun with shot. I limit myself to 25 yards on squirrels with a cylinder 20 ga and generally kill them dead. 20, 24, 28 ga cylinder bores are best for dual-purpose guns and the 24 and 28 ga are are going to be more fun to shoot with the round ball. Shooting an ounce and a quarter ball from a nice light fowler can be punishing.
 
That walnut stocked gun by Mike is mine (he wont forgive me for the shorter barrel)! It is a joy to shoot and carry, and I could not be happier. I have used it for shooting pheasants and squirrels. I had it jug chocked and its great for hunting. I have shot some roundball, but not enough to make a judgement call yet. I really got it for small game hunting anyway.
 
You sure have a gem there, I think I'm going to build mine in walnut too, I also would like to know what kind of bluing that is. I've been reading up on charcoal blueing but am worried I'll anneal the barrel and ruin it. I have an old junk lock I use for practice inletting and such with and think I'm going to try to charcoal blue it and then harden the frizzen, the whole concept seems simple and I have successfully blued small parts this way, but if there is a chemical blue treatment that gives those kind of results I will go with it.
 
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