Armsport .46 a TC Target or Patriot?

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cachelapoudre

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Could this Armsport .45 cal pistol be a Target or Patriot model by Thompson Center?

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It is missing the front and rear sights.
 
No

Armsport sold some Spanish guns, it looks much like the traditions trapper, which is made by Ardessa. The trapper is bigger and clunkier than the TC Patriot. Heavier barrel, bigger caliber, larger stock etc than the Tc Patriot.

The TC patriot was never available in flint. The Traditions trapper is.

It does follow somewhat similar lines, but
quite a bit larger and heavier. It is easy to think they may be the same, if you have never handled the other brand.
 
cachelapoudre said:
Could this Armsport .45 cal pistol be a Target or Patriot model by Thompson Center?

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It is missing the front and rear sights.


Kind of looks like a VW Beatle made in Kansas.

rde
 
The Thompson Center Patriot is a much better made pistol than what is pictured. Although, that one does look very close to the real thing.
 
I believe it's a parts gun with a different shorter and heavier barrel added. MD
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Poor picture with the flash but you can see enough for contrast.TC's don't come with browned barrels. MD
 
It is not a TC lock or triggers either.

Which trigger is the set? Probably back wards from the Tc.

I think TC patriot stocks are all black walnut

I think it is a Spanish clone of the Patriot.
 
Compare the vertical alignment of the hammer screw and triggers. The length of the tang of the trigger guard. On the Spanish gun, I am guessing the rear trigger is the set and the front touches off the gun, reverse of the TC.
 
Dear Zimmerstutzen, I believe you are correct that it is a Spanish copy. I did find a reference that Armsport, Inc. listed a "Dueling Pistol" in their catalog.

Once I receive the pistol I will check to see how the set trigger works since the TC's is set with the front trigger and fired with the rear, opposite my CVA Hawken.

Thanks all of you who have provided information.
 
I finally have the pistol and here are images of marks found under the stock.

An early comment was that the reproductions would have a set trigger design backwards from the TC or Traditions models (set trigger in the rear and firing trigger in front for U.S. guns and the reverse for a reproduction). This trigger is set like a U.S. model, set trigger in the rear and firing trigger in the front. The trigger assembly also has an adjustment screw.

The barrel is a bit rusty but shows no signs of ever been fired. The nipple was hand tight and inside the chamber it was also clean, indicating it had not been fired.

Here are the proof marks and some identification:

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The parts as they exist. Note: no sights.

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Proof marks. The V1 11 13 indicates it was stamped on November 13, 1977. I do not know what the 700 or GS mean. The three circles indicate a psi rating. The crest with the X is an Eibar marque

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The hammer assembly

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The trigger assembly. Notice the adjustment screw behind the set trigger.

If anyone has any experience or remembers this kit please let me know anything else about the pistol. I will be cleaning it and checking the barrel and breech to test fire later this week.
 
I finally cleaned up the pistol and tightened loose screws and replaced the nipple. The pistol is still without sights; which I've ordered from Dixie.

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I shot the pistol on Sunday at a paper target 25 yards distance using the left barrel rib as an aiming point.

In 12 shots I was able to get a grouping after shot number seven, below center but reasonable considering my aiming points.

I was using a .440 ball, .010 patch and 20 grains of FFF powder. Once I get the sights I will sight it in at 25 yards.

Here is the target using windage and mental corrections and deviations to hit the paper.

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Interesting pistol. Did you get a chance to look at the spent patches after you fired the pistol? Check to see if they were cut or burned through in spots.
 
A cut or burned patch can be caused by several things but it always produces poor accuracy.

When you look at a patch after it has been shot, the outside edges of it will usually be tattered.
This is normal and is what happens when cloth is subjected to 600+ mile an hour winds.

The area where the patch was squeezed between the ball and the barrel and the center of the patch are the areas we are interested in.

If the retrieved patch has cuts that run parallel to the rifling grooves where the ball was pinching it against the bore it indicates sharp edged rifling grooves.
The razor like edges of the groove which often exist need to be dulled so they won't cut the material.

This can be done by wrapping a small amount of steel wool around a cleaning jag and then running it up and down the barrel a bunch of times.
The steel wool will wear out while your doing this so it needs to be replaced often.

A badly rusted bore will also create craters and saw like teeth and pits that can tear a patch.
If this is the problem, sometimes steel wool will help. Sometimes a very fine valve grinding compound on the patched jag can help. Sometimes, nothing short of reboring the barrel will help.

This is not to say that all rusty barrels are bad.
Some have very mild pitting or practically none at all (although they can look bad at first and they are always a reason to pay a lower price if your buying).
I've seen bores where the actual bore was just lightly pitted and it shot like a champ without tearing the patching at all.

Short circular cuts at the ball indicate sharp edges at the crown of the muzzle.
Often, the maker will leave these places where the rifling meets the muzzle razor sharp.
That will cut the patch right when the patched ball is being forced into the bore.

Rounding off these sharp edges can be done using a small piece of 220 grit black, wet/dry sandpaper.
Press the small piece into the muzzle with your thumb. Then rotate your hand and thumb from side to side, slowly rotating the barrel slowly as you do this. Use a new little piece of sandpaper when the old paper quits cutting.

This will slowly round off and polish the area but more importantly, it will remove any sharp edges.
Some folks like the mirror bright look left by this process but others use some cold bluing to recolor the area so it matches the outside of the barrel.

If the patch is charred or burned where the ball meets the barrel either the patch is too thin, the ball is too small, an insufficient amount of patch lube was used or a combination of all of these things.

If the center of the patch is burned or charred it indicates either a lack of patch lube, too large of a powder load or the powder was 777 which apparently burns much hotter than black powder or Pyrodex. 777 has a reputation for burning patches.

The burning if caused by large powder loads or 777 can be reduced by using a cardboard patch between the powder load and the rear of the patched ball.
Cream of Wheat or corn meal can also be used to protect the patch.

Other things that can cause a patch to "blow apart".

Some pre lubed patches that are sold at gun stores have sit on the shelf for years.
In doing this, the factory applied patch lube can break down the fibers in the cloth weakening them so much that they cannot take the violent forces, heat and pressure of a black powder gun firing.

Worn out T-shirts also have weakened fibers. That's why it's worn out.
This material will seldom work well for patching a ball in a rifle or single shot pistol.

Some people have used cloth made from plastic.
Nylon, Rayon, Polyester, etc all melt at low temperatures and the heat from the powder explosion can melt them.
Once melted the 4000+ psi pressure behind the ball will just blow them out of the way.
Always use pure cotton or linen material for the patch material.

Hope this helps you figure out what's happening with your guns accuracy.
 
Well, I sure missed it being a parts gun.A little elbow grease and new front sight should make it into a fine shooter to try and wear out. :wink:
I picked up a Muruko flint pistol in .45 cal that was in the same shape and may have an even rougher bore but it shoots well and has a very reliable spark producing lock that makes my expensive target pistol look like a piker by comparison.
I paid 20.00 bucks for it without a front sight and a cracked stock! MD
 
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