Attractive German hunting gun

[hawkeye1755]

A very attractive German hunting gun lock signed Pistor Schmalkalden, barrel with Dutch Utrecht mark.

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[rabjr]

Ohh nice! Buy that for me Andreas! :grin:

 

[rich pierce]

It's not Dutch? Any more info on date and region where it was made? Beauty!

 

[hawkeye1755]

Ohh nice! Buy that for me Andreas! :grin:

Sure :haha: , when you pay my ex-wife, the lawyer,the court fees, the driving licence for my oldest daughter...... :surrender:
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[brubincam]

flash hole is a little high

 

[hawkeye1755]

It's not Dutch? Any more info on date and region where it was made? Beauty!

Sorry Rich, that's all i know.

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[paulvallandigham]

Sorry Rubincam: I disagree. That flash hole looks just right. Its the heat from the flame that ignites the powder in the barrel, and the hotter part of the flame is substantially above the level of the pan. Air rushes into the bottom of the flame, making it the coolest part of the flame. Always leave room under the touch hole to let air feed the fire that is the burning priming powder, so that the heat it up next to the hole and will enter it to ignite the main charge. ( fire seeks free oxygen, from any direction, and the flame will enter that vent, if its been picked open, to eat up the oxygen there, as well as any air coming in from below.The flame is the visible reflection of the heat, and the heat goes where the flame goes. That is why its important to pick the main charge with a vent pick before priming, and why its important NOT to cover the vent with priming powder.

 

[CoyoteJoe]

Oh come on now Paul, are you priming with lighter fluid? If priming with black powder it requires no atmospheric oxygen to burn. In fact black powder can be used to extinguish a fire by the force of its' detonation driving the oxygen away. There are plenty of high speed photos of the action in a flintlock pan which show everything blasting outward, nothing rushing in! :shake:

 

[Britsmoothy]

I have to say that I think Paul has a point. To my thinking BP burns "rich" as in it does not produce enough oxygen to yeild max heat. If it did I am sure the color of the flame/fire would look blue and not orange or red and so any flash in the pan will endeavor to seek more of the element oxygen naturally. :v

 

[Mike Brooks]

It's the heat from the flash pan that ignites the main charge.

 

[Leonredbeard]

Sorry, Britsmoothie,
I watched all those videos of locks lighting at 5000 frames per second. I can tell you there is no air rushing in from the surrounding atmosphere until way after the heat has ignited the main charge. The only forced being applied to the atmosphere while the pan is lighting is outward. Coyotejoe is right, if black powder needed atmospheric oxygen it wouldn't work as a charge in the barrel. Yes, the flame first is orange, but it very quickly turns yellow and then almost white. But that is coalescense not an indication that the powder needs outside oxygen. I do not think that charcoal and sulfer burn efficiently enough to produce blue flame, no matter how much oxygen it had available.
volatpluvia

 

[Leonredbeard]

Undertaker,
Is that baroque carving on the stock? The chiselling on the barrel, buttplate are magnificent!
volatpluvia

 

[Stophel]

Schmalkalden is somewhere near Suhl. I don't have a map before me, but it's in that region.

The Pistors were a very well-known and long-lived family of gunsmiths. I think they always worked in this general region. At one point, Thomas Wilhelm was working in Kassel.

The stock carving, indeed, all the decoration is very much high rococco, which takes the forms of the "rocailles" (shell like shapes), and "ruffles". Flowering vines are also commonly seen, particularly on South German guns. Baroque work consists more of the familiar "acanthus leaf" (in all its many forms), and is often a bit more symmetrical. Rococco thrives on asymmetry. Baroque also includes "putti", "the green man", bound captives, etc. Lots of "Ohr" ("auricular"/"ear") shapes, and "S" curves too. Baroque and Rococco blend in with one another, and often you find guns that don't have "pure" baroque nor "pure" rococco decoration.

This gun is about as pure Rococco as you can get...with the exception of the barrel decoration, which is very much an earlier baroque style. But, it seems, the barrel has been re-used, so there's that. I'd say the gun was from about 1750, more or less.

 

[jdstrang]

One cannot help but notice a small white tag hanging from the triggerguard. Perchance does that tag have on it a dollar/euro/pound-sterling sign followed by a numeral or two and a string of zeros? Or might it be a collection identifier? Idly curious minds want to know... :hmm:

 

[Stophel]

Probably just the auction lot number tag. I have noticed that some people who take a gun to a show or something, like to leave the auction tag hanging on it...I have no idea why.

 

[hawkeye1755]

Undertaker,
Is that baroque carving on the stock? The chiselling on the barrel, buttplate are magnificent!
volatpluvia

Chris answered your question perfectly. :thumbsup:
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[Leonredbeard]

Danke, Fett Deutcher!

Danke, Unternemer (bad spelling? or just pure gibberish?)

 

[ffffg]

This gun has a serious problem.. I found out the hard way with a drilling i own that is very very nice.. After a couple months of fun, , I was finnally convinced by freinds to put it in the dark crevas... Known as the gun safe.. There it sets.. Some guns are museum quality or, close to it, and they cannot be bounced around the world, being fired here and there.. One drop, one mischarge, and your duty, to keep this piece pristine, has failed the world.. So it will set in a safe or museum for most of eternity.. It is not a shooter.. dave

 

[hawkeye1755]

Danke, Unternemer (bad spelling? or just pure gibberish?)

Unternehmer = enterpriser
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[Leonredbeard]

Vie sagt mann 'undertaker' auf Deutch?
rahren sheutzer