Black MZ in a squirrel gun

[robinsroost]

Has anyone tried Black MZ in a small bore squirrel gun like my .32 Crockett? I have heard that there is much less fowling which would be a benefit.......robin :hmm:

 

[Scota4570]

Until there was some brick wall preventing me from getting real powder, I will never know. Real black is part of the game, I see no reason to use anything else.

 

[Gene L]

I think the smaller the bore, the blacker the powder needs to be. FFFG is what I use in my .32.

But a .32 isn't enough gun for fowling!

 

[Treestalker]

:rotf: :hatsoff:

 

[Rifleman1776]

Has anyone tried Black MZ in a small bore squirrel gun like my .32 Crockett? I have heard that there is much less fowling which would be a benefit.......robin :hmm:

Watizzit? Another fake bp?

 

[robinsroost]

I think the smaller the bore, the blacker the powder needs to be. FFFG is what I use in my .32.But a .32 isn't enough gun for fowling!

Nice, funny man, 40,000 comedians out of work and you have to try and be funny. I normally load 20 grains of Goex FFFg but no one has answered my question. Has anyone actually tried Black MZ and what was the result. Thanks, robin :hmm:

 

[BrownBear]

I live in a land where getting real black powder is harder than finding an objective politician to look at both sides of an issue.

Yeah, I've managed to get black powder part of the time, but I've made it a project to keep on working with the alternatives. Anyone making a dream trip to hunt Alaska with their muzzleloaders better be doing the same thing. Breaking out a can of sub to practice with is not something you want to do as you listen to the departing sound of the floatplane that dumped you in the middle of nowhere, nosiree.

But that's going to be the color of your life if you don't learn how to use a sub. You can buy the subs up here, but good luck getting holy black. It's hard enough for the locals who know all the ropes and back paths down narrow alleys.

If there's a good side to it, I can count on purists who refuse the subs to help keep down the crowds in the hunting fields! :rotf:

Rant over, but yeah, I've played with subs in my Crockett. Haven't been able to get any Black MZ, so haven't tried that yet. Pyrodex P and Triple 7 (in 3f) work just fine and dandy. They both require extra careful cleaning, but I have to say the Triple 7 is a stellar producer in my Crockett over a wide range of charges. So good in fact, I save my Goex 3f for use in guns that work better with it.

If the Black MZ doesn't work out for you, be sure to try Triple 7.

 

[rafterob]

We might be waiting a long time for the answer, but when it comes we can add a tad more information to the pool. Who knows, some day I might just get the itch to buy a .32 and get a free # of Black MZ to try with it. (might not wait as long as I thought by example of the above post)

 

[azmntman]

Has anyone tried Black MZ in a small bore squirrel gun like my .32 Crockett? I have heard that there is much less fowling which would be a benefit.......robin :hmm:

I bought a can but have yet to try it. Use mostly black now, before I found out I can buy online I "hoarded" it and used mostly subs, T7 being the best inho.

WHY did I buy it? Good reviews and $9.99 a lb...THATS WHY. Ya I have a bit of a cheapo bug in me but is it works well I can shoot for less than half the csot of black (which I always use hinting).

 

[coloradoclyde]

I haven't tried it in a .32 cause I sold mine....But, I have shot it out of everything larger.
It has it's advantages and disadvantages..
Some of the dis advantages are:
It has a very large grain size making it difficult to meter.
It is harder to ignite than BP
The smoke is toxic, and smells weird.
Does not work in flintlocks.
Does not clean easily with water.
The hard fouling that accumulates from repeated shooting (crud ring) can be difficult to remove.




Some of advantages are:
It has much less accumulated fouling.
It is the least corrosive of all the BP substitutes.
It works great in cartridges.

 

[coloradoclyde]

At $9.99 a pound
I would have bought a case....There are lots of good uses for it.....
It's $30ish dollars in my area.

 

[azmntman]

Check Sportsman warehouse. I couldn't believe it either. Wil get several more if'in it works well in me guns n sidearms

 

[Rokon]

Oh, come on. I use BlackMZ in 25 and 30 caliber cap locks with great success and superb competitive accuracy. Grain size is not an issue--just volume BP measure it and enjoy it.

Toxic? This is a Vitamin C derivative!

Hey, if you can't get BP locally, this is the best, least corrosive, BP Sub available at $9.99.

 

[TNGhost]

I haven't tried it in a .32 cause I sold mine....But, I have shot it out of everything larger.
It has it's advantages and disadvantages..
Some of the dis advantages are:
It has a very large grain size making it difficult to meter.
It is harder to ignite than BP
The smoke is toxic, and smells weird.
Does not work in flintlocks.
Does not clean easily with water.
The hard fouling that accumulates from repeated shooting (crud ring) can be difficult to remove.




Some of advantages are:
It has much less accumulated fouling.
It is the least corrosive of all the BP substitutes.
It works great in cartridges.

Perhaps you're thinking of Blackhorn?

 

[BrownBear]

Oh, come on. I use BlackMZ in 25 and 30 caliber cap locks with great success and superb competitive accuracy. Grain size is not an issue--just volume BP measure it and enjoy it.

Toxic? This is a Vitamin C derivative!

Hey, if you can't get BP locally, this is the best, least corrosive, BP Sub available at $9.99.

Dang it all anyway....
Sure ruins all the fun when someone with actual first-hand experience pipes up and spoils all the best lines of the back benchers who opine loudly without a speck of it! :rotf:

Thanks anyway. Valuable feedback for me and my 32 cal, not to mention my 30 and 36 calibers. :thumbsup:

 

[coloradoclyde]

Grain size is not an issue--just volume BP measure it and enjoy it.

Just saying, that it hangs up constantly in my flask spout.

Toxic? This is a Vitamin C derivative!

Not exactly! .....Ascorbic acid is one ingredient.


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[Okie Hog]

i'm a confirmed long time user of Black MZ powder. But i've never used it in a small caliber gun.

Contrary to the snarly remarks from those who have never used Black MZ; it is a very good powder.

BTW: i detest so called "real" blackpowder in all of it's cruddy forms.

 

[Dane]

Apparently, all of you are shooting percussion small bores.
In a flinter, it's either duplex loads, (and why bother) or real black powder.

 

[BrownBear]

Yup, and there are lots of percussion squirrel guns floating around. Clearly this is a discussion among percussion owners.

 

[mooman76]

Apparently, all of you are shooting percussion small bores.
In a flinter, it's either duplex loads, (and why bother) or real black powder.

Some people have a hard time getting the real stuff, but still need it for flint so they try to stretch it to last. More trouble yes, but sometimes it is necessary.