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I coached the local 4-H Shooting Sports blackpowder discipline for about ten years. Our state's 4-H rules said we could only use Pyrodex. The guns were either T/C Hawkens or Lyman Great Plains rifles. Once a week from early June through late August. Cleaned by the shooters with Ballistol at the end of each night. Never rusted or pitted anything. The better shooters had the occasional 50 yard offhand cloverleaf.
Shoot what you can get and enjoy the sport. It makes no difference what you use.You can read the pros and cons of both and the bias replies will keep your head spinning. If one or the other doesn't produce good accuracy it is either the rifle or the shooter not the powder they used. Now I will go and put on my asbestos underwear. LOL!
 
I recall 3' of snow in London, 1953. Still a mile to walk to school, "Round House Preparatory School for Young Gentlemen". Moving back to the States was good - no damned ration books! But just as cold and snowy.

I am also glad that we have our Second Amendment, and wish that Great Britain had similar.
 
Yep, there volumes of rumors, myths and outright lies concerning Prodex powder. Since the mid 1950s i've owned hundreds of original muzzleloader rifles. At least 90 percent were trashed from using unholy black powder. My old Stag Horn rifle was bought in 2000. The bore is like new after more than 4,000 rounds fired with Pyrodex.
 
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Schuetzen
Pyrodex
Triple 7

Accuracy between them have been good... same vol of either and at 100yrds you can't decide the better. I would use either or and not worry about my rifles zero...

In a knight though.
Yep, there volumes of rumors, myths and outright lies concerning Prodex powder. Since the mid 1950s i've owned hundreds of original muzzleloader rifles. At least 90 percent were trashed from using unholy black powder. My old Stag Horn rifle was bought in 2000. The bore is like new after more than 4,000 rounds fired with Pyrodex.


Here in the UK pyrodex and 777 were over the counter no licence needed, then last year they were added to BP and reclassified as explosive , so all three need an explosive licence . My friend has an explosive licence, not difficult to get if you have a rifle or shotgun certificate Ie S1 or S2. He felt it was always pointless buying anything but BP, you can still use nitro powders as propellants are over the counter. The problem arises if you have a flint lock for ignition. France from research requires no licence for BP guns , nice, BP purchasing ???, but seems substitute pyrodex and 777 are banned, I like french gun laws.

When pistols were banned in uk many went the way of archery, I lost shotguns & pistols but took up archery a couple of years ago, and bought a couple of 177 and 22 pcp Scorpio bsa air guns, only low power 12 ftlbs max without a police certificate , but deadly accurate and knocks heads off rabbits and squirrels, one can argue what more can I need. My friend above does not hunt but shoots on ranges several times a week burns a lot of BP and nitro in cartridge guns. He recently joined a ML club , but dose not have a ml rifle , the nearest being a Westly richards monkey tail.

So today I am just a collector of ml and obsolete rifles, I love double rifles and have an obsolete 450-400 very expensive , and a ml .36 double. , but recently taking a liking to ml cape rifles , git a couple a good one , one mint and a rusty cracked stock project one .

So I think the verdict this side of the pond is that BP will be the winner over substitutes

Whatever try to be happy with your lot big or small I am 81 such is this short life .

I wish you well
 

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Well guys, my son and I did some testing this season with black powder vs Pyrodex. I’ll just say we WILL NOT be using the pyro. I’m happy that you guys that like that stuff have good experiences with it, but it’s not for us. I have 3 pounds of the stuff that I’ll trade for black powder if there are any takers on my offer. I’m not shipping it, you have to live by Green Bay, WI.
 
Well guys, my son and I did some testing this season with black powder vs Pyrodex. I’ll just say we WILL NOT be using the pyro. I’m happy that you guys that like that stuff have good experiences with it, but it’s not for us. I have 3 pounds of the stuff that I’ll trade for black powder if there are any takers on my offer. I’m not shipping it, you have to live by Green Bay, WI.
What did your testing conclude ?
 
I havnt noticed that big I difference in changing sabots either.... where I couldn't use it

Like different weight and brands...
Power belt grouped the worse 😫 but not that bad a fist size group at 100 is just fine.. easy loading

Tried bloodline and xtp.. ands different weight

From 80 grns to 130 grns vol.... powder

Granted you tighten up the groups to a silver dollar or so is good... but in the end a fist size group being the largest and I can load any combo with that powder range and it's killing that deer at 100... without changing zero..

I dunno..

More or less smoke.. I noticed that
 
I recall 3' of snow in London, 1953. Still a mile to walk to school, "Round House Preparatory School for Young Gentlemen". Moving back to the States was good - no damned ration books! But just as cold and snowy.

I am also glad that we have our Second Amendment, and wish that Great Britain had similar.

Yup, ALL of the UK would like to have something like it, not just Great Britain.
 
In our two .50 cal percussion guns, accuracy wasn’t as good with pyro, energy was less with pyro. Now before a bunch of guys start jumping all over me, let me say that this was OUR experience in OUR guns. You may have different results. OUR choice is to not use it, especially when hunting.
sounds like a fair and honest review. thank you
 
I dunno from a different rifle being.

I've shot 30-06 that couldn't group nothing but core locks. I though that gun was junk until I tried a core lock or anything cheap ammo like PMC American eagle was good.

all the high price fancy stuff I got to try no good.. in the end I was like that gun is awesome groups great with the cheap ammo.
 
I dunno from a different rifle being.

I've shot 30-06 that couldn't group nothing but core locks. I though that gun was junk until I tried a core lock or anything cheap ammo like PMC American eagle was good.

all the high price fancy stuff I got to try no good.. in the end I was like that gun is awesome groups great with the cheap ammo.
my dad had a rifle that wouldnt shoot nothing but core lokt. he bought a lot of different ammo. sort of getting at a loss. tried them and it was grouping good. been a lot of deer killed with them
 
Yup, ALL of the UK would like to have something like it, not just Great Britain.
On snow uk tv now. 1963 heavy snow, coldest year in 200 years Worst than Alaska I guess, remember , I was 20 then
Yup, ALL of the UK would like to have something like it, not just Great Britain.
 
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