Blackpowder Hunting Mag - Ultimate Muzzleloader

[roundball]

This issue of BP Magazine has an article in it illustrating the latest muzzleloader called the "Ultimate" muzzleloader.

It uses a .45cal Winchester Magnum primed cartridge case which fits into a chamber designed into a breech plug, and uses four 50grain Pyrodex pellets as the standard load, and five 50grn pellets as the maximum load.

 

[Hoyt]

They don't come cheap..bottom of the line starts at $1500 top of line Remington 40X BP Xpress Ultra

 

[scott fellows]

sounds like it is really close to being a cartridge gun to me. they are getting to carried away with this inline stuff.
pieman :m2c:

 

[mikee51848]

How does this qualify as a black-powder gun? Just because it uses pyrodex? If I took my 30.06 and replaced the powder in the shell with pyrodex, what's the difference? :huh:

 

[roundball]

They don't come cheap..bottom of the line starts at $1500 top of line Remington 40X BP Xpress Ultra

 

[bob1961]

On a related note it also seems like a few states are redefining their muzzleloading seasons to limit the focus to the original intended purpose of the ML seasons...

ya mean there going in the right direction :applause: ....just cause it's loaded from the front and fired from a primer they call it a muzzleloader....still sounds like a centerfire to me :crackup: ...........bob

 

[Hoyt]

still sounds like a centerfire to me

I think it skipped over the centerfires...3-3/4" group at 500yds...I can't even see 500yds..and that's with a 3-10scope. Longest shot I ever made with modern rifle was 223steps. and I couldn't hardley tell if the deer had horns or not..much less hold it on him good. I aimed right behind the shoulders (3-10scope) and he dropped in his tracks. When I got down and walked up to him.. I had hit it right behind his ear.

 

[biliff]

Yeah, American Hunter had an article on it a few months back. They were claiming 2500fps with a 300 grain sabot slug or some such. That's essentially 375 H&H performance. Don't know what to call it, but it doesn't belong in a primitive weapons season. :imo:

 

[roundball]

...3-3/4" group at 500yds...

I admit I raised an eyebrow when I saw this...but at my age I also have to admit I've learned the hard way over the years that anything is possible...so I no longer take issue with things like this when I see them.

But that's a really, really, really, really, really small group at 500yds...especially considering black powder propellent and all the possible vagaries of 500yds worth of heat, humidity, air currents, etc.

I can do 2" at 200yds with a sand-bagged Remington 700 .30-06 & Leupold 3.5x10x50 scope...theoretical best case group would then be 5" at 500yds and I would not bet that I could do it at that distance at all.
:hmm:

 

[jdixon]

Reading about this made me think of this comparison. In this state for the first time this year, cross bows will be able to be used for the entire normal deer archery season. The straight bow people are about to go to war over this change - they feel that it will destroy deer hunting as we know it. O.K. - now compare the difference in performance between this new in-line vs. a traditional muzzleloader, and a crossbow vs. a compound, straight or recurve bow. Now I ask - who has got the larger complaint here, muzzleloader hunters or the straight bow guys? :hmm: Pieman is right - this in-line stuff is going over the top anymore. :imo:

 

[mikee51848]

Roundball,
Did they say if this gun will handle smokeless powder also?

 

[Bob J]

They don't come cheap..bottom of the line starts at $1500 top of line Remington 40X BP Xpress Ultra

 

[roundball]

Roundball,
Did they say if this gun will handle smokeless powder also?

BP/BP Subs only

 

roundball....3 3/4 inches at 500 yards isn't all that good. I freely admit that it is with a muzzleloader, virtually any kind. However, my old 300 Win. Mag. sniper rifle I built up would consistently shoot 2-2 1/2 in. groups at 500. I had a 12X Leupold target scope on it and you could have identified a gray squirrel at that distance, and shot it or at least come close. I AM NOT advocating shooting game at that distance, merely making a statement. We used to set soda cans up, end facing us and shoot them. Now before I get taken to task for shooting cans on a range, it was my range, on my property and I picked up the remnants.

I have shot 5 in. groups occasionally with my old Shiloh Sharps, 45-70 at 500 yards with black powder, cast bullets using MVA front and rear sights, but never consistently.

Vic

 

[sidelock]

They don't come cheap..bottom of the line starts at $1500 top of line Remington 40X BP Xpress Ultra

 

[sidelock]

They don't come cheap..bottom of the line starts at $1500 top of line Remington 40X BP Xpress Ultra

 

[oomcurt]

Call me nuts...but in truth this whole thing revolves around this thing about wearing baseball caps backwards on the head. Why? Simple..today everything has to be new..different..more technological...look at your average tv show...look at home styles..hell...look at life today. The average person today couldn't pull a 60 lb straight bow..much less a 80, they are too lazy to even use a recurve. Insane, if you ask me.