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JohnnyO

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After cleaning my rifle I noticed there was still gunk around the breech, I tried a .22 cal brush with a patch to clean it but it's still there. I believe my rifle has a patent breech but this gunk was around the outer rim, where a regular patch [with a .50cal button jag] just can't get the outer rim.
I noticed this on rocky mountain muzzleloading,
Breech%20Brush.jpg

has anyone tried it? Seems to me like it would at least work to break that stuff up so it can be easily rinsed away or wiped off.
 
JohnnyO said:
After cleaning my rifle I noticed there was still gunk around the breech, I tried a .22 cal brush with a patch to clean it but it's still there. I believe my rifle has a patent breech but this gunk was around the outer rim, where a regular patch [with a .50cal button jag] just can't get the outer rim.
I noticed this on rocky mountain muzzleloading,
Breech%20Brush.jpg

has anyone tried it? Seems to me like it would at least work to break that stuff up so it can be easily rinsed away or wiped off.

If I'm understanding you correctly you're talking about the outer-circumference of where the threads of the breechplug mates to the back end threads of the barrel...and the .22cal brush just slides right past that area on down into the patent breech as its so skinny.

That little brush you're showing is a "breech-face" brush...and would also slide down into the patent breech...I have one barrel that does as you describe so I wrap a patch around a .12ga brush and slide that down in there and rotate it it a number of times.

But if I've misunderstood what you're describing, just disregard my reply :grin:
 
Most any of the smaller size brushes will slide down into the tapered part of the patent breech...but I don't think that's what he's talking about. I understand him to be talking about where the top of the breech plug (photo) is mating into the back end of the barrel...but I may be wrong.

TCHawkenCaplockPatentBreechplugCrop.jpg
 
Sorry for not describing this properly but yes I am talking about "outer-circumference of where the threads of the breechplug mates to the back end threads of the barrel"

The problem with using a brush with a patch wrapped around it is seems is that the metal wire usually protrudes out ahead of the bristles, so it won't wipe the outer edge

Looking at the other photo posted I don't know if I have a patent breech now...what does Traditions normally have?
 
JohnnyO said:
Looking at the other photo posted I don't know if I have a patent breech now...what does Traditions normally have?

Somebody else will hjave to jump in...don't know about traditions, although I'm somehow under the impression that all modern mass produced MLs had patent breeches
 
roundball said:
Most any of the smaller size brushes will slide down into the tapered part of the patent breech...but I don't think that's what he's talking about. I understand him to be talking about where the top of the breech plug (photo) is mating into the back end of the barrel...but I may be wrong.

TCHawkenCaplockPatentBreechplugCrop.jpg

RB,
:thumbsup: gotcha. thanx :v
 
That is why you pump soap and water through the barrel with a good cleaning jag on your rod, and a proper sized cleaning patch. The pressure of the water, and the water being a solvent, removes the crud to which you refer. A Breech plug cleaner, which looks like a wide screwdriver blade, can also be used to get the junk caked in the corners out. I just pour water and soap in the barrel, and let it sit awhile, while I clean other parts of my gun, such as the action and nipple. The soak lets the soap do its work, and the water to penetrate the crud, and loosen it up. The pumping action forces water past the crud at high speed, pulling the crud away with the vacuum created.

If the last thing you do at the range before going home is put some cleaning solvent on a cleaning patch and wipe down the bore, leaving the patch and rod in the barrel for the trip home, the crud is usually dissolved and ready to come out easily when you do get to cleaning the barrel. I would recommend Hoppe's No. 9 Black Powder solvent and cleaner to you, or go up to the member resources and find the recipes for Stumpy's Moose juice. Both do outstanding work as cleaners. Stumpy's is cheaper because you make it up from products you may already have in your home. If you don't have an old bottle of Castor Oil in the medicine cabinet, use olive oil, or cooking oil as a substitute. Ballistol also works well, if you already have that. A quart jar of the Juice takes very few materials except water, and will last you a couple of years of normal shooting.

For a really caked on crud barrel, don't hesitate to leave it soak over night, or put a DROP of Hydrogen Pyroxide in the bottle. That will agressively attack the crud and remove it quickly. Don't overdo the Hydrogen Pyroxide, as it is highly corrosive, and will pit the barrel if you overdo it.

I have a recipe that calls for one fluid ounce of liquid dish soap, one fluid ounce of Hydrogen Pyroxide, 2 oz. of water soluable oil, and the remaining 26 oz being tap water. I think that is too much Hydrogen Pyroxide to use in that mix, and would cut it to 1/4 of that, or even less. A little goes a long way. A pint bottle of Hydrogen Pyroxide can be bought at drugs stores, and in most grocery stores for less than one dollar. Many poeple keep a bottle of it in the medicine chest to help clean out scrapes and wounds.
 
Traditions has a patent breech just slightly different from some of the others. Refer to this pic.
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This is a pic of the breech plug from a .50 Traditions and the drum threaded into it. If you will notice where the drum threads in thru the barrel and threads into the breech plug. There is a short channel/tunnel from the center of the drum to the end of the breech plug. This is a patent breech set up.
I don't have a photo of it but while I had this breech plug out I made a scraper that fits into the concave of the face of the breech plug. I can put this on the rod and turn it a few times and any burnt on gunk is loosened and then a good scrubbing with a patch in warm soapy water will get the rest in the flash channel usually! If not I have a small welders brush that I have used to loosen fouling that got packed in there before scrubbing. The brush looks like a minature baby bottle brush, with a flexable wire body! Remove the clean out screw and take brush straight into the breechplug, it will not make that sharp turn to the front of breech plug so don't try to force but, that will usually be enough to let the hot soapy water does it's job.
 
JohnnyO said:

By the way...after buying a couple of these brushes years ago then realizing I didn't need them, I did find an excellent alternative use for them.

I chuck them into a drill, wet the bristles with WD40 or gun oil, then dab it into some comet cleanser (Ajax, etc) and it does an outstanding job of cleaning out/shining up the "cup" on a caplock hammer.
 
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