Does anyone know where I might find either plan dwgs or a book with dimensions for Buck's Co. long rifle. Being a poor person and finding myself smack in the middle of this expensive addiction I can't afford to buy all these $60 picture books on a hope and a prayer it might have what I'm lookin for. The real bad part is I only got one gun built..and there's still so many left to do. I should have known better than to get mixed up with this. I haven't even got the parts for this one yet and am day dreaming about which one next. I got is so bad I refinished the only one I've done and it hasn't been completed but about 3 months.
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That depends on what Bucks you are looking for. If it is a Verners you can get a set of plans from TOW or MBS or other places. ($ 10-12)
If it is the lil one with the curved buttplate & patch box with the hinge on the bottom of the patchbox,(RCA Book Page # 276, 277, 278) nobody make a set of plans for it that I know of. I did make a full scale drawing of the one I made (the striped Bucks on my web site, without the patchbox)in case I have to duplicate it for the buyer in a dif caliber or to match it, however, last time I had one like that copied it cost me $ 25. and this drawing is not done to scale, just mainly for me, how I did what & where & etc. to get me in the general direction. Nutherwords it looks like crap & I would be ashamed to reproduce it for anyone........ :redface: :shake:
Also, Tip Curtis Frontier Shop makes this stock in RH and he is the only one that has the pattern for it that I know of & Tip has it precarved.. (615)654-4445 He also has ALL of the parts you need to build this rifle in RH if that is your quest. The parts for the Bucks I built all came from him.
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If it is the lil one with the curved buttplate & patch box with the hinge on the bottom of the patchbox,(RCA Book Page # 276, 277, 278) nobody make a set of plans for it that I know of. I did make a full scale drawing of the one I made (the striped Bucks on my web site, without the patchbox)in case I have to duplicate it for the buyer in a dif caliber or to match it, however, last time I had one like that copied it cost me $ 25. and this drawing is not done to scale, just mainly for me, how I did what & where & etc. to get me in the general direction. Nutherwords it looks like crap & I would be ashamed to reproduce it for anyone........ :redface: :shake:
Also, Tip Curtis Frontier Shop makes this stock in RH and he is the only one that has the pattern for it that I know of & Tip has it precarved.. (615)654-4445 He also has ALL of the parts you need to build this rifle in RH if that is your quest. The parts for the Bucks I built all came from him.
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Thanks for the information Birddog...I haven't really decided exactly which one yet. I've found about 8 different builds on the net and there is a lot of difference in them.
I like the style you built the best and plan on using it for a .58 or .62cal. next.
Until I get the stock from Pecatonica and can get some measurements I'm not sure what I can do with it. I was wondering if there was a particuliar book that had detailed dwg of any Bucks Co. guns...or a set of dwgs. I checked on TOW website before and they didn't list any Bucks Co. dwgs. I got a set of House Virginia dwgs. from Log Cabin Shop I used to scale off of for my smooth bore, but they don't have Bucks Co.
If push comes to shove I'll just eye ball it.
The links below are just two more styles of Buck's Co. guns.
Bucks Co.1
Bucks Co.1a
Bucks Co.2
Bucks Co.2a
I like the style you built the best and plan on using it for a .58 or .62cal. next.
Until I get the stock from Pecatonica and can get some measurements I'm not sure what I can do with it. I was wondering if there was a particuliar book that had detailed dwg of any Bucks Co. guns...or a set of dwgs. I checked on TOW website before and they didn't list any Bucks Co. dwgs. I got a set of House Virginia dwgs. from Log Cabin Shop I used to scale off of for my smooth bore, but they don't have Bucks Co.
If push comes to shove I'll just eye ball it.
The links below are just two more styles of Buck's Co. guns.
Bucks Co.1
Bucks Co.1a
Bucks Co.2
Bucks Co.2a
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Hoyt,
Who is the #2 gun attributed to??
I've never seen a Buck Co gun that even resembled this one. Looks more Burks Co, or Lebanon.
Is it in RCA 1 or 2??
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Who is the #2 gun attributed to??
I've never seen a Buck Co gun that even resembled this one. Looks more Burks Co, or Lebanon.
Is it in RCA 1 or 2??
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Smallpatch...here is the info on that rifle. Bucks County
If one wants to build a Bucks County gun there aren't any patterns, as such, published to my knowledge. Here's what you can do:
Kauffman has some pictures of a George Weicker and a John Schuler rifle. He attributes the Schuler to "Jacobus Scout", but it's a Schuler.
Kindig has pictures of a Schuler (John Fries Gun) and an unknown.
Shumway has a Schuler in "Longrifles of Note": and a picture of the same unidentified rifle that's shown in Kindig.
A recent "Muzzle Blasts" had a Jacob Daub.
RCA has a good history of the Bucks County style starting with William Antes, John Schuler, George Weicker and another unknown that's a sister to the Kindig unknown. RCA also has good pictures of the Andrew Verner Rifle. There are pages of pictures here showing the similar and unique details of the different makers.
From these illustrations you should pick up on the important details that make up the Bucks County style. These details, by the way, are largely missing on the reproductios you illustrated in your prevous post. Go to the originals for information - not replicas.
I used a grid to develop a full-size pattern and kept working with it until it looked right.
Any and all of these books are available at a local library or through an inter-library loan. Take the time to study the details. You'll be spending a lot of time making this gun.
I believe that the Bucks County style is great for a novice who wants to build a rifle other than a kit. There is minimal carving and engraving required (unless you want to reproduce the Verner), and the style is really unique.
Kauffman has some pictures of a George Weicker and a John Schuler rifle. He attributes the Schuler to "Jacobus Scout", but it's a Schuler.
Kindig has pictures of a Schuler (John Fries Gun) and an unknown.
Shumway has a Schuler in "Longrifles of Note": and a picture of the same unidentified rifle that's shown in Kindig.
A recent "Muzzle Blasts" had a Jacob Daub.
RCA has a good history of the Bucks County style starting with William Antes, John Schuler, George Weicker and another unknown that's a sister to the Kindig unknown. RCA also has good pictures of the Andrew Verner Rifle. There are pages of pictures here showing the similar and unique details of the different makers.
From these illustrations you should pick up on the important details that make up the Bucks County style. These details, by the way, are largely missing on the reproductios you illustrated in your prevous post. Go to the originals for information - not replicas.
I used a grid to develop a full-size pattern and kept working with it until it looked right.
Any and all of these books are available at a local library or through an inter-library loan. Take the time to study the details. You'll be spending a lot of time making this gun.
I believe that the Bucks County style is great for a novice who wants to build a rifle other than a kit. There is minimal carving and engraving required (unless you want to reproduce the Verner), and the style is really unique.
There are several pages in RCA #1 detailing the Verner rifle. It is, however, probably the most difficult of the Bucks County style to reproduce correctly due to the extensive silver inlay, carving and engraving. There are only a couple Verner rifles known but he probably made some more utilitarian guns in a similar style but with fewer embelishments.
Some features you will note that are common with all the Bucks gunsmiths in RCA are the Fleur de lis detail around the lockplate, side plate and breechplug, the extended entry pipe, common trigger guard, and thumbnail or "tombstone" detail on some of the buttplates,and the triggerguard. Also note the patchbox release in the toeplate, the scroll detail on the trigger, the side opening patchbox, incised carving, and concave curve on the bottom of the stock from the trigger to the buttplate. It's a very unique style and seems to be growing in popularity.
Some features you will note that are common with all the Bucks gunsmiths in RCA are the Fleur de lis detail around the lockplate, side plate and breechplug, the extended entry pipe, common trigger guard, and thumbnail or "tombstone" detail on some of the buttplates,and the triggerguard. Also note the patchbox release in the toeplate, the scroll detail on the trigger, the side opening patchbox, incised carving, and concave curve on the bottom of the stock from the trigger to the buttplate. It's a very unique style and seems to be growing in popularity.
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Hoyt,
Still not like any of the Buck's County guns I've ever seen or heard about.
Allen's page calls it a Transitional gun. Sure would like to know more about the history on this one and who it was attributed to.
Maybe we could get Allen involved. :hmm:
Still not like any of the Buck's County guns I've ever seen or heard about.
Allen's page calls it a Transitional gun. Sure would like to know more about the history on this one and who it was attributed to.
Maybe we could get Allen involved. :hmm:
