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BUILDING THE B GUN--INSTALLING THE LOCK

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Zonie

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In this episode we will discuss my method of installing the lockplate we inletted in the first post.

With the lock inletted and functioning we need to determine where the locks thru bolts need to be.
At first, one might say, well the front one would be in the middle of the forward projection where it will clear the mainspring.
There is more to it than that though.
The forward screw must go under the barrel and over the ramrod to keep things from hitting it.
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In this picture notice the two pencil lines I drew on the side of the stock. The upper line represents the bottom of the barrel. The lower one represents the top of the ramrod hole.
To determine the bottom of the barrel is easy. Just use a Vernier or digital Caliper and measure down from the top of the stock or if you didn't take my recommendation and buy one of those, you can bridge across the barrel channel with a block of wood and use a smaller piece of wood which reaches down to the bottom flat of the barrel channel. Mark the depth relative to the bridge wood and you have the answer.
Transfer this depth to the outside of the stock in at least 2 places in the area of the lock and draw a straight line connecting them.
Install a dowel in the ramrod hole and measure from the top of the stock down over the dowel. Subtract the dowel diameter and you have the depth of the top of the ramrod hole from the top of the stock. Again transfer the dimension in 2 places and draw another straight line.
The screw must go between the two lines and ahead of the mainspring. This doesn't leave much room when you remember that the screw will be either .160 or .190 diameter depending on whether you use a #8 or a #10 screw. I prefer the # 8 because of the tight quarters the screw must live within.

Note that the lock should be disassembled to do this task.

The rear screw must obviously clear the back of the barrel, but it can go thru the breech plug tang as you will later see.
It should be located just far enough behind the barrel so it doesn't interfere. I try to keep it about 3/16 behind the barrel and be about 3/16 to 1/4 inch below the top of the lockplate in this area.
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After you have located both screws, center punch the location for the drill. After centerpunching, I like to use a hand drill to start a 1/16 inch drill in them. This keeps the larger tap drill from walking.

Speaking of tap drills, these are special size drills which will leave enough material for the tap to turn into threads.
If you are using a #8-32 screw, the tap drill should be a #19. "Where the H... am I going to get that" you ask? OK, it is .136 diameter and many Good hardware stores will have it. If you cannot get one, then use a 9/64 dia drill. It is .140 diameter and the threads will never know the difference.
If you are using a #10-32 screw, the tap drill is 13/64 (.159) diameter.
We will be using this tap drill for almost everything we do so buy several.
Although a drill press is nice, you can tap drill the holes with a electric hand drill. Just try your best to keep it perpendicular to the lockplate and drill straight thru. Dont let the drill move from side to side because this will enlarge the hole.

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Now with the 2 holes drilled, reinstall the lockplate into the stock. This will become our drill jig to guide the drill into the stock.

Using the drilled holes, drill back thru the plate and thru the stock with the tap drill. DO NOT drill a clearance size hole yet. The tap drill is the size we want to use.
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Use the tap drill to drill the upper rear hole thru the sideplate. Locate it to best fit the plate contour without the screw head hanging over the edges.
Insert a tap drill in the stocks new rear lock screw hole. Place the sideplate onto the drill shank.
Now insert another tap drill (I told you to buy several, remember?) into the front screw hole so that the point of the drill sticks just a little outside of the wood on the sideplate side.
Swinging the sideplate around the rear holes drillbit, the front drill point will scribe a arc on the backside of the sideplate. It is on this arc that the forward sideplate hole must live. (Hay, this is a CUSTOM GUN! That means pieces are not interchangable like those newfangled factory guns).
At this stage, you can drill both sideplate holes to the clearance drill size. This is 11/64 (.171) for a #8 screw or 13/64 (.203) for a #10 screw.
You can also enlarge the holes thru the stock at this time using the same clearance drill. Let the existing tap drill holes in the wood guide the drill. Do not try to tell the drill where to go, just let it follow the existing tapdrilled hole. It is best to enlarge these holes from the sideplate side of the stock because often there are only partial holes where they pass thru the lock mortice or inletted wood. DO NOT ENLARGE THE HOLES IN THE LOCKPLATE!!!!!

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TAPS: A song you hope will be a long time coming for you. It is also the special tool which creates the threads in the steel lockplate.
You will need a tap for the screw you are using. No other tap will work. Most lock screws are #8-32 (.164 diameter with 32 threads per inch) or #10-32 (.190 diameter with 32 threads per inch). I prefer the #8 because it is more than strong enough for the job and it takes less room. Some builders like to use a #8 for the forward screw and a #10 for the rear screw. This helps prevent confusion when the owner has removed the lock because the forward screw will be a different length than the rear screw when your done.
Back to TAPS. BUY THE VERY BEST TAPS YOU CAN FIND. This is no place for saving a few cents. The ugly black taps made in China where you can get 30 taps for $2.00 are not worth the Pyrodex to blow them to hell! Buy top quality precision ground high speed tool steel taps. You will thank me.

The tap must be started perpendicular to the lockplate. This is difficult to do with the lock sitting on the bench so here we will use the stock to help us.
The picture above shows how the enlarged holes in the stock can guide the tap. Place the lockplate into the stock and clamp the tap into the tap wrench (yes, you should buy one, but you can get by with locking pliers or a small adjustable wrench).
Run the tap thru the stock until it hits the lockplate.
We want to cut only the first couple of threads so using moderate pressure, turn the tap about 3/4 turn. Now unscrew it about 1/2 turn. Turn it back in until you feel it begin to cut and turn it about another 3/4 turn. Unscrew it 1/2 turn. Turn it in another 3/4 turn and then unscrew it from the plate. This will "start" the tap into the sideplate holes so they are going in the right direction.
After doing this to both holes, remove the lockplate.

Lubricate the tap with a good Thread Cutting Oil and start it into the partially tapped hole. This oil has sulpher added to prevent the steel from bonding to the tap and causing it to break. Regular oil might work, but why take the chanch?

Continue the 3/4 turn in and 1/2 turn out routine until the tap doesn't feel like it is cutting and that hole is complete.
Complete tapping the other hole.
NOTE. Failure to back out the tap (called chip breaking) or failing to lubricate the tap will almost always result in a broken tap. These things are harder than hell so you don't want to break one in your treasured gun.
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Now is a good time to screw the screws into the gun to make sure they align with the lock holes (they will). Note that they protrude thru the lockplate. You will have to cut them off to prevent interference with the hammer or frizzen spring
but a word of caution here. If they are not going to inlay the sideplate, be sure the screws are passing thru it before you screw them thru the lockplate. If you forget this little thing, you will cut them off to short.
Also don't try to cut them off when they are engaged into the lockplate. Just count the threads protruding or better yet, measure how much they stick out. Then remove them and cut off the excess material. Also chamfer the ends of the screw with a file or grinder so they self pilot into the lockplate holes when your assembling the gun.

Now is a good time to find out what you will have to do to the barrel breech plug. It most likely will be in the way of the rear lock screw.
Install the barrel into the stock and run the Clearance drill bit mounted in an electric hand drill thru the rear screw hole in the stock from the sideplate side until it hits the breech plug tang. Just start the drill enough to make a mark on the plug.
Now remove the barrel and determine if just filing a notch will do, or if you need to drill a larger clearance hole thru the plug. It doesn't hurt to go oversize on this clearance hole. In fact it is better to have lots of clearance here.

By the way, now that we have drilled this clearance hole, do you understand why you NEVER want to try to remove the barrel from a rifle of this type without first removing the rear lock plate screw? I knew you would understand. I hope the nonbuilders read this far to learn this little bit of wisdom.
It will save them much grief in the future.

Well, thats about it for now. We will continue in the near future.
Any comments (good or bad) are welcome. The more input we have, the better we can all become.
 
Zonie,
Another way to find the top of the ramrod hole right under your front screw is to drill a hole in the bottom flat of the barrel channel making sure you stop before drilling into the bottom of the ramrod hole. Make this hole is big enough to allow you to insert the feeler wire on the back end of your vernier caliper. I assume the digital has one too. Then measure to the bottom of the ramrod hole from the bottom of the barrel channel, subtract the diameter of the ramrod hole and you will know where the bottom of your forward screw channel can be. I have had to taper the ramrod on one gun until I discovered this. It was my first tapered barrel.
God bless.
volatpluvia
 
To both of you, Great Idea. I'll have to use it on the next project.

I figured while I was installing things I might add the following to this post:

THE TANG SCREW

While we have our tap drill and tap handy, we should attack the tang screw.
This screw holds the rear of the barrel into the stock. Because this needs to be a good attachment, the screw uses the trigger plate as a nut.
The problem is, where do you put the screw?
Most of the original guns I have photos of show the screw at least half way down the tang as measured from the back of the barrel. Most are located 5/8 to 3/4 of the tangs length but IMO other factors comes into the screws location.
If your not reproducing an exact copy of a original, (which of course dictates where the screw will be located) you need to remember: 1. The screw should be perpendicular to the tang where it will be located. 2. The screw must clear anything projecting from the trigger plate.

With this in mind, in the following photo, you will see I have outlined the shape of the trigger plate on the wood.
I have then determined the most aft location where the screw will be perpencular to the tang and not interfere with the trigger plates projection.


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Although I could have located the screw further aft, it would not be perpendicular to the tang as it would have to be installed at a rather steep angle to clear the trigger plate projection before it could get to the flat area.

Once you have determined the screws fore/aft location, measure the tang width at this place. Divide the answer by two and scribe a line which represents this answer down the middle of the tang. If your gun has a straight tang, you don't have to be too picky about where you measure the width, but if it has a tapered tang, the fore/aft location is important.
Take your time with this. If your tang hole is off center, it will be very obvious to anyone looking at the finished gun. Also, when your finished with this job, there is not a lot of material on either side of the screw, so you want it to be smack dab in the middle here.

After center punching the location I like to use (once again) the tap drill to drill thru the tang.
Using the line on the side of the stock for direction, I then drill down thru the stock until I hit the trigger plate.
I do not drill into the plate, but just deep enough to make a mark on it.
This will usually be a little off center. There are several things you can do here to correct the location.
One is to centerpunch a new location in the center of the plate and tapdrill thru it here. Then using this hole as a drill jig, drill back up thru the stock towards the tang to remove the wood which is in the way CAUTION: If you use this method, remember the hole needs to be at an angle which matches the axis of the future screw.
Another method is to drill back down thru the barrel tang and stock to remove the wood which is in the way of where you want the hole to be.
Reinstall the trigger plate and redrill thru the tang hole while applying pressure which will keep the drill to the side of the wooden hole where you want it to be, continue to tapdrill thru the trigger plate.

IMO, if the hole is a little off to one side or the other, it is not the end of the project. The important thing is that the hole thru the trigger plate is at the correct angle to match the screws axis. Remember, unlike the tang hole, very few people get so picky they check to see if the screw hole is centered on the trigger plate.

Enlarge the hole thru the tang and the wood with the clearance size drill bit.
Install the trigger plate and using the clearance hole as a guide for the tap, start the threads using the same method as outlined above with the lockscrews.
Remove the trigger plate and finish tapping the hole using Thread Lube.

Unless your building some of the Military style guns which use several different shaped non countersunk screws, you will need to countersink the hole in the tang. (Darn! Another tool no-one told me about!!). I now have a good countersink but it cost an arm and a toe! The first 8 guns I built I used one of the 1 tooth countersinks made for wood. I found that as long as you keep the speed real slow, they will do the job without getting dull.
When countersinking the tang hole, keep the screw handy. Go slow with this process and try the screw often. You don't want to countersink the hole too deeply because the process removes material in the direction of the sides of the tang. Too much material removed here can leave a very weak tang.
Counter sink just until the edge of the screw head is flush with the top of the tang.

The rear of the trigger plate also needs a flat headed wood screw to keep it in place when the barrel screw is removed.

By now, your doing so well you don't need me to tell you how to do that chore. But it will give you another chanch to use your new countersink!
A few words about the wood screws on muzzleloading guns. They are made of steel (or iron).
Brass screws were not used on guns before the 1840s. Possibly even later. This also applies to the flat head screws which hold Patch Boxes and Butt Plates on your gun.
Some say I am not very PC, but when it comes to screws, why not use the right material? Its stronger than brass and it is also the correct choice.
The Cadmium plated screws take "cold blueing" very well if you want them blued. DO NOT "HEAT BLUE" CADMIUM SCREWS. They will give off TOXIC FUMES!


Happy Building!
 
Zonie,
after I replied earlier today I realized you recommended actual thread cutting oil. I have always just used honing oil. I have also broken a few taps off in the hole, especially when tapping #4 bolt holes for the wheellock. So you say that I might have much less trouble if I use real thread cutting oil. Hmmmmmnnnn! I'll have to try that the next time I am tapping holes.

One fellow told me he uses his electric drill to tap holes. Now I have a nice proper handle for tapping and cutting threads. He claimed that sideways pressure on the tap from using the handle is what breaks taps. I thought: 'I don't thinks so, Tim'. Then this evening on the American Chopper show on Discovery Channel I saw the man using an electric drill to tap some holes that looked to be half or five eighths of an inch. I still don't think I want to try it. I once watched a gunsmith use a drill press to tap a hole. He pulled the plug on the machine and turned the chuck by hand. It worked really nice especially since he had just finished drilling the hole and left the barrel clamped in position for the tapping.
God bless.
volatpluvia
 
Leonredbeard: The company I work for builds Jet Engines which use threaded holes in everything from Aluminum and steel thru Inconel and Waspalloy.
The aluminum and some steels are power tapped (using a flood of coolent/lubricant) but the exotics are either tapped on machines which can sense the torque and reverse to clear the chips when the torque gets too high, or they are hand tapped.

The way I look at it, the gun builder doesn't have to meet any production schedule so why take the chanch of breaking a tap by using a power tool?
As for breaking off taps, we all have done it, but at least in my cases I believe it was because I either tried for "just a little more" before I broke the chips by reversing direction for half a turn or because I couldn't find my Threading Oil and was using something at hand like motor oil.
As I mentioned, Thread Cutting oil has a lot of sulfur in it to keep the parent material from welding itself to the tap.
It is not a miracle fluid though so its not going to make up for applying side pressure to the tap or failing to break the chips often enough.
Thanks for the responce.
 
One of our fine members PT'd me to tell me he had found an error in my first post waaaay up at the top of this topic. He suggested that I fix the problem but the last time I tried editing one of these really old topics the revised topic lost all of its pictures.
Hopefully adding this new post won't do that.

Anyway, Waaay up there I said,

"If you are using a #8-32 screw, the tap drill should be a #19. "Where the H... am I going to get that" you ask? OK, it is .136 diameter and many Good hardware stores will have it...."

That should have said
"...the tap drill should be a # 29. "Where the..."
 
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