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Since the other post was getting a bit long and laborious, I thought I'd restart with the quote about inverted conical bullets in Walker revolvers during the Mexican War. This comes from "Rip Ford's Texas".

"While at Vergara, we drew six-shooters, the old fashioned long-barreled arm. It carried a ball as near the mark, and to a greater distance than the Mississippi rifle. Many of the men had not used revolvers. Some of them put the small end of the conical ball down first. A single fire usually burst the cylinder. Some let the loose powder trail around the cylinder; six shots would be fired at once. One day a 'greeny' was in the tent cleaning his pistol. The adjutant (Ford meant himself) advised him to remove the caps. He said he would. In a minute or two a pistol shot was heard. Greeny had shot his own horse in the head and put himself afoot."

Another reference to the Walker vs. the Mississippi rifle is also made as follows:

"While at this camp (meaning Encerro) the men made a trial between the Mississippi rifle and the six-shooter of Colt's last pattern. The six-shooter threw a ball a greater distance than the rifle."

The "Mississippi rifle" referred to is the M.1841 rifle of .54 caliber that took a standard charge of 75 grains of "rifle" grade powder. The name "Mississippi" came from Jefferson Davis' Mississippi Volunteers who's fight at Buena Vista had gained such renown. The rifle was also called the "Windsor" and other terms due to the contract maker's name stamped on the lockplates.

Another interesting comment from Ford's book concerns the results of another fight in Mexico. Much is made of Hickock's gunfight at 75 yards. How about this?

"A skirmish ensued at a little place called San Carlos; Sergeant Major William Hewitt stood in one place and killed three Mexicans with a six-shooter. After the firing ceased the rangers measured the distance, and reported it over one hundred and twenty yards. Hewitt was one of the best shots with a pistol the writer ever saw."

No kidding Rip!
 
I LOVE my Walker! Very accurate with 50 grains of 3Fg Goex!

I wonder if anyone has done any testing of the rifle vs. Walker lately and what the results are? :hmm:

Dave
 
I kinda have to wonder about ole RIP's story a bit.

That Mississippi .54 with a 75 grain powder load should have been pushing a roundball at about 1400 feet/second muzzle velocity.

The Lymans Blackpowder Handbook says a .44 Walker with a 45 grain load would give the roundball a velocity of about 980 feet/second muzzle velocity.

With a slower muzzle velocity I wonder how the "... six-shooter threw a ball a greater distance than the rifle."?

Just thinkin' again.
 
Always wondered about that too. First thing is that the lads back then only used FFg in revolvers larger than .31. Seems FFFg was only used in the small .28 and .31 guns for some reason. Have no idea how the "rifle" powder of that day compared to anything we have now, that's the real problem with these things. All we can do is read their comments and go, "Now that's weird!" :shocked2:
 
Zonie said:
With a slower muzzle velocity I wonder how the "... six-shooter threw a ball a greater distance than the rifle."?

Because the rifle's bullet hit the opposing force and was stopped! :haha:
 
some years back one of the gun rags printed an article comparing the Walker with a .44 mag. I don't recollect the results exactly but the walker's slug peneterated further than the .44's. I was surprised at the velocity and M.E. of it.
the Walker was a Repro, not original.
 
Back in the early eighties Robert Shimek, a gun writer for Guns and Ammo did an article on deer hunting with a walker and round balls........He shot a doe at around sixty yards and kilt it dead.......................Bob
 
Leatherbark said:
Back in the early eighties Robert Shimek, a gun writer for Guns and Ammo did an article on deer hunting with a walker and round balls........He shot a doe at around sixty yards and kilt it dead.......................Bob

My Walker makes perfectly round holes on the target paper! It must be the 50 grain rifle charge of 3Fg I use. Nobody else in the League I belong to (except for another guy with a Walker) gets holes that look like they were made with a paper-punch!

I've consistantly shot high scores with my Walker, even hit a torso-sized gong at 135 yards several times! A deer killed with a fast round ball at 60 yards DOESN'T surprise me the least! Very believeable!

Dave
 

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