Cane Cannon

[beaver1959]

Don’t know if this okay to post here if not please delete
Needed something to do in this cold weather, so I decided to build a cane cannon i am not a machinist but I do have a lathe and mill and love to piddle

 

[russellshaffer]

Nice looking and a great idea.

 

[IanH]

Hope you got your Form 1 squared away before you made that.

 

[10 Ga.]

I don’t believe muzzle loaders are federally considered firearms or under purview of the NFA but I could be wrong when it comes to AOWs.

Hope you got your Form 1 squared away before you made that.

 

[IanH]

It's an AOW under the NFA even though it doesn't accept fixed ammunition and doesn't fire through the stalk in the traditional way. If it is bored through to the touch hole on the breech end it is functional. Perfectly legal under Federal law for any lawful citizen of the USA to make for their personal use, IF the proper paperwork is filed and approved by the ATF beforehand. Many state and local jurisdictions prohibit possession of otherwise lawfully obtained NFA items, check with your local head of law enforcement (police chief or sheriff) before filing.

From the NFA Handbook, chapter 2.1.5: Any other weapon. Firearms meeting the definition of “any other weapon” are weapons or devices capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive. Many “any other weapons” are disguised devices such as penguns, cigarette lighter guns, knife guns, cane guns and umbrella guns.

 

[10 Ga.]

It's an AOW under the NFA even though it doesn't accept fixed ammunition and doesn't fire through the stalk in the traditional way. If it is bored through to the touch hole on the breech end it is functional. Perfectly legal under Federal law for any lawful citizen of the USA to make for their personal use, IF the proper paperwork is filed and approved by the ATF beforehand. Many state and local jurisdictions prohibit possession of otherwise lawfully obtained NFA items, check with your local head of law enforcement (police chief or sheriff) before filing.

From the NFA Handbook, chapter 2.1.5: Any other weapon. Firearms meeting the definition of “any other weapon” are weapons or devices capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive. Many “any other weapons” are disguised devices such as penguns, cigarette lighter guns, knife guns, cane guns and umbrella guns.

Muzzle loaders don’t meet the definition of “firearm” federally so I don’t believe this applies…. For instance other traditionally NFA items such as SBRs, SBSs, and DDs have similar definitions regarding discharge by the energy of an explosive but are not under the purview of the NFA if they are muzzle loading… I could be wrong though so I will look more into it. Very cool cane though OP.

 

[beaver1959]

Guys I guess I should have said that the barrel is NOT bored all the way to the torch hole I should have been more clear in my post didn’t mean to steer up a hornets nest

 

[Youngblood]

Looks pretty good. Why is there there two holes besides the bore?

 

[Captndan]

You have a cool little project. All those stupid regulations and definitions are BS. Build your project and enjoy it.

 

[Commodore Swab]

Legally the ATF should not exist for the infringement they have done

 

[Keyhole]

Don’t know if this okay to post here if not please delete
Needed something to do in this cold weather, so I decided to build a cane cannon i am not a machinist but I do have a lathe and mill and love to piddle View attachment 288438View attachment 288439

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I love it! Great work man…..…

 

[Sam squanch]

If Dixie gun works marketed a mouse trap that can shoot, I think your cane is ok to have.

 

[Captndan]

After the shot you could womp the chit out of them.

 

[Lawdog]

If Dixie gun works marketed a mouse trap that can shoot, I think your cane is ok to have.

You mean this?

Not sold anymore but they still have a few parts. I got this one at a yard sale for $25.
And yes it does shoot!

 

[SOLANCO]

Good design and workmanship! What wood is the shaft?

 

[beaver1959]

Good design and workmanship! What wood is the shaft?

Bamboo

 

[82ndPA]

Legally the ATF should not exist for the infringement they have done

Forgot where I heard this but: Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store chain.

 

[sheriff john]

Now, if a man had a lit cigar or a Kool, walking alone down a dark alley .....armed with such a fine thing...he may die of cancer late in life but surely his legend would live long among the crack heads. Neat project. Drill 'er through, fire it off and please post photos. I like it very much.

 

[linksgard2]

It's an AOW under the NFA even though it doesn't accept fixed ammunition and doesn't fire through the stalk in the traditional way. If it is bored through to the touch hole on the breech end it is functional. Perfectly legal under Federal law for any lawful citizen of the USA to make for their personal use, IF the proper paperwork is filed and approved by the ATF beforehand. Many state and local jurisdictions prohibit possession of otherwise lawfully obtained NFA items, check with your local head of law enforcement (police chief or sheriff) before filing.

From the NFA Handbook, chapter 2.1.5: Any other weapon. Firearms meeting the definition of “any other weapon” are weapons or devices capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive. Many “any other weapons” are disguised devices such as penguns, cigarette lighter guns, knife guns, cane guns and umbrella guns.

as stated previously, muzzle loaders and antiques are not legally considered "firearms". here are the atf's own words on the matter.

"The term “antique firearm” means any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock,
flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898. The
definition includes any replica of an antique firearm if it is not designed or redesigned for using
rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or uses rimfire or conventional centerfire
ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States, and which is not readily available
in ordinary channels of commercial trade. Further, any muzzle loading rifle, shotgun, or pistol which
is designed to use black powder or black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition,
is an “antique firearm” unless it (1) incorporates a firearm frame or receiver; (2) is a firearm which is
converted into a muzzle loading weapon; or (3) is a muzzle loading weapon which can be readily
converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination
thereof. See 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), (a)(16)."

additionally there is this on cannons specifically:

"Are muzzleloading cannons considered destructive devices?
Generally, no. Muzzleloading cannons manufactured in or before 1898 (and replicas thereof) that are not capable of firing fixed ammunition are considered antiques and not subject to the provisions of either the Gun Control Act (GCA) or National Firearms Act (NFA).
[26 U.S.C. 5845; 27 CFR 479.11]"
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are-muzzleloading-cannons-considered-destructive-devices

 

[dracer]

good job , looks good