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I was out testing my "Napoleon" test bore on New Years. After a few firings I had some serious delays on ignition. I was loading it with aluminum foil powder charges and found that much of the aluminum foil stays in the bore plastering onto the breach. I am thinking about using something other that aluminum foil as I think that is a 20th century cop out! lol

Historically they used some kind of fabric or linen, correct? Be nice to use something that burns up or at least exits the barrel. Any input would be appreciated! Thanks
 
Years ago I was doing a blacksmithing exhibition at a local ren faire. A young man came up to me and asked me if I could make him a "cannon worm". Mystified, I said "I dunno. Maybe. What is a "cannon worm?" He referenced a patch puller worm for muzzleloading guns and I knew what he wanted. Went to look at his cannon, which had a two-inch bore. About an hour later, I presented him with a forged "cannon worm".

I think he swabbed the bore and fished out bits of aluminum after every shot. That may be what you will want to do. Aluminum is cheap, available almost anywhere and is non-sparking. Dunno what you could beat it with. Suppose you could go to a nitrated paper cartridge, but I'm not sure how safe that would be, given the charge weights of cannons in general.

Always wanted a cannon, but never could justify the expense or figure out what exactly I might use it for...
 
Silk sounds expensive and unobtainable. I thought about trying some different papers. News paper or tissue paper was an idea. It might build up in there also. Might have to make a better worm. Right now I just use a bent piece of stainless welding wire.

I do kind of think it looks tacky when I see guys with this cool old cannon and they grab the Reynolds aluminum foil to make their charges! :rolleyes:
 
I am sure you know the importance of a clean bore in a cannon. One ember and you could have serious trouble. If the aluminum is packing up at the breech the worm is not working properly for you. Do you have a straight bore or a chamber? Aluminum is a good choice for safety, and whatever you use you will still need a clean bore lacking anything that could give you a premature firing. A good vent hole cleaner and worm plus mop are the really necessary tools to have.
 
A proper worm is an essential implement for shooting a cannon....and a bent piece of weld wire really isn't a "proper" worm. Personally, I have always and will continue to use aluminum foil. Cheap, readily available, water resistant (all as mentioned) but most importantly inflammable !!!! Nothing says it's a bad day like a smoldering ember at the bottom of the bore as you load the next charge. Worming out the bits of aluminum foil between shots is a very, very small price to pay for not having a charge go off unexpectedly while loading. Get a worm. Get a good swab. Use the aluminum foil. Use both the worm and the swab between shots. Keep your fingers / hand and enjoy the cannon.

PS. What is your bore diameter ?
 

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A proper worm is an essential implement for shooting a cannon....and a bent piece of weld wire really isn't a "proper" worm. Personally, I have always and will continue to use aluminum foil. Cheap, readily available, water resistant (all as mentioned) but most importantly inflammable !!!! Nothing says it's a bad day like a smoldering ember at the bottom of the bore as you load the next charge. Worming out the bits of aluminum foil between shots is a very, very small price to pay for not having a charge go off unexpectedly while loading. Get a worm. Get a good swab. Use the aluminum foil. Use both the worm and the swab between shots. Keep your fingers / hand and enjoy the cannon.

PS. What is your bore diameter ?
Ok that makes sense. Yeah I am in the testing stage to see what works. I see how the worm fits the bore of the cannon so it allows it to scrape the breech consistently to pick up any remnants of foil. Sometimes improvising is necessary! That will make a fun forging project.
 
Ok that makes sense. Yeah I am in the testing stage to see what works. I see how the worm fits the bore of the cannon so it allows it to scrape the breech consistently to pick up any remnants of foil. Sometimes improvising is necessary! That will make a fun forging project.
If you need a forging technique, lemme know and I'll tell you how I did it.
 
A proper worm is an essential implement for shooting a cannon....and a bent piece of weld wire really isn't a "proper" worm. Personally, I have always and will continue to use aluminum foil. Cheap, readily available, water resistant (all as mentioned) but most importantly inflammable !!!! Nothing says it's a bad day like a smoldering ember at the bottom of the bore as you load the next charge. Worming out the bits of aluminum foil between shots is a very, very small price to pay for not having a charge go off unexpectedly while loading. Get a worm. Get a good swab. Use the aluminum foil. Use both the worm and the swab between shots. Keep your fingers / hand and enjoy the cannon.

PS. What is your bore diameter ?
1 3/4"
 
I am sorry to have the need to write this post. But as the story unfolds it now appears you do not even have a worm or mop to clean out the bore of your cannon between shots. I have been around where people are laughing having fun with no respect for safety or proper learning. Cannon is no trash can where you just throw stuff in it and it disappears. At the top of the cannon page is a post CANNON DISASTERS, you need to read the first two stories. You don't want a doctor giving you an option of taking one of your toes to make a new finger. Again sorry to bring this subject up but so far you have been a very lucky person. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel and start learning what works. If you want to have fun with the cannon learn the proper safety requirements first and even then you need to be careful. Sorry for being harsh.
 
I am sorry to have the need to write this post. But as the story unfolds it now appears you do not even have a worm or mop to clean out the bore of your cannon between shots. I have been around where people are laughing having fun with no respect for safety or proper learning. Cannon is no trash can where you just throw stuff in it and it disappears. At the top of the cannon page is a post CANNON DISASTERS, you need to read the first two stories. You don't want a doctor giving you an option of taking one of your toes to make a new finger. Again sorry to bring this subject up but so far you have been a very lucky person. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel and start learning what works. If you want to have fun with the cannon learn the proper safety requirements first and even then you need to be careful. Sorry for being harsh.
I do mop the bore with a wet mop. Just didn't expect the foil to stick in there. First tool I made is a mop and a jag/ramrod. I guess I should have laid out my complete loading procedure so I wouldn't have received a post like this. If following necessary precautions is lucky than I guess lucky is my middle name! lol
 
Sure! I had an idea how to start but never had made anything quite like that.
Groovy.

Using this formula T= ((2πR)v)+y+(2πRw) where v equals the number loops you want in your worm, R = the radius of the worm (half the diameter), w equals the radius of the loop you want at the end of the handle, y equals the length of the "handle" portion you want and T equals the total length of the rod before you start, you can calculate the length of the rod you need to form the worm. Because the taper will lengthen the rod slightly, you will end up with a slightly longer rod than you planned, but this is negligible for this purpose... who cares if the rod is six inches longer?

Don't let the math scare you, it looks more difficult than it actually is. I.e: Say you want a 2" diameter worm for a 2 1/2" bore, 3 loops in the worm with a three foot handle that has a 4 inch diameter loop at the end of the handle. This assumes you have a barrel length of about three foot barrel length. If it is longer, you will have to adjust the length of the handle portion. Now plugging in the variables:
(2 x 3.14 x 1 x 3)+(2 x 3.14x2) = 69.1"... the length of the rod you need. I have not checked my math or the formula, so you might want to go over it again. I am many things, but not a math wizard.

Start with a 3/8" mild steel or wrought iron round bar... you can use a square one, but it will be more work because you want the screw to be of round stock. Forge a point, you want that tapered down over maybe a three to four inch length. Now go to the horn of your anvil and start bending the tip into a spiral pattern. The "circles" you will form will run parallel to the rest of the rod you are working with. You want the diameter of the worm to be less than the bore diameter of your cannon... how much less depends upon the bore diameter. For a two-inch bore, you probably want a 1" to 1 1/2" diameter worm. Figure you want your worm to be three to six inches long when it is stretched out. This means that you will need three to six circles.

At this point, your work piece will NOT look at all like a worm. Don't worry, it'll get better. Right now your rod will form a tangent to the last circle you made. You want to bend your rod so that it forms a geometric ray that starts at the last circle and goes through the center point of the circle. Once this is done, you bend that ray so it is perpendicular to the circle from the center point and goes out to form the handle.

Heat up your coils, then clamp the handle in a vice, use tongs to grab the pointy end of the worm and stretch the coils until the worm is the approximate length you want. Make any adjustments you want while it is still hot. Quench it.

Now you plug in the second part of the equation: (2 x 3.14 x 2)=12.56 We'll just make that 12.5". Measure 12 1/2 inches from the end opposite the worm and make a perpendicular bend. This will be the part that gets made into a loop at the end of the worm's handle. You can bend it on the horn or a mandrel if you have one. When finished quench it.

Square up a portion and add decorative twists if you wish, then quench. Wire brush it and coat with wax... or whatever you use for preservative. Most smiths have a favorite secret formula for coatings that they may or may not share with you. One formula I know of involves beeswax and carbon black. I've found that simple paraffin wax works just fine.

If it works out, thank Hephaestus and go on to use your new cannon worm. If it doesn't, tomorrow is another day. I would guess that you will have to read this a few times before you can envision the techniques. Might help to make some drawings, or use a piece of scrap wire to form what you want in miniature. This helps me when I am making something complex.
 
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