Canvas hunting bag??
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I think they were called haversacks and all that I've seen are white or off white.
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Yes and they are not haversacks. There are documented orders for militia shot vats to be ma de of cloth and having a divider to separate shot from ball. Be sure to not make it large and I would use some kind of linen or hemp canvas.
Don't know what it looked like, but one was offered for sale in 1771, Philadelphia:
The Pennsylvania Gazette
June 27, 1771
... various sorts of cork screws; powder flasks and shot bags; silver and steel cock spurs or gaffs; shoulder bags for dead game; green goggles to preserve the eyes;
Here's mine.
Customer supplies the squirrels. :haha:
Spence
The Pennsylvania Gazette
June 27, 1771
... various sorts of cork screws; powder flasks and shot bags; silver and steel cock spurs or gaffs; shoulder bags for dead game; green goggles to preserve the eyes;
Here's mine.
Customer supplies the squirrels. :haha:
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Tinstar are you looking for a shooting bag or a game bag? I am referencing a shooting bag and Spence's post is about a game bag.
I use my haversacks as game bags - though I put an old towel in that can be rinsed out.
As far as a "hunting bag" - that could go either was as a shot or shooting bag or a game bag/haversack.
As far as a "hunting bag" - that could go either was as a shot or shooting bag or a game bag/haversack.
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Stump is on the money. We need to know what type of hunting bag you are asking about.
Using "Canvas" for bag to carry
* Shot and ball and shooting items
* Harvested game and found food
* Your lunch,,
Is period correct for anytime after the white man set foot on this continent.
Ships sails, and bundled trade goods where canvas.
Worn sails and trade good packaging where not just thrown on a fire and destroyed. The Fabric went on to become many things until it was completely gone.
* Shot and ball and shooting items
* Harvested game and found food
* Your lunch,,
Is period correct for anytime after the white man set foot on this continent.
Ships sails, and bundled trade goods where canvas.
Worn sails and trade good packaging where not just thrown on a fire and destroyed. The Fabric went on to become many things until it was completely gone.
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No need for woulda coulda shoulda if he can get specific documentation though. It just needs clarifying what is really being asked about.
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This is the "Accoutrements" section not
"Historically Accurate Equipment"
This is the "Accoutrements" section not
"Historically Accurate Equipment"
Your point?
This is a traditional forum and "accoutrements" should not be confused with "modern expedients".
He asked about F&I War period through Rev War period. Not "Late Cabela's" period.
"Homespun" jute bag with leather flap.
Rev Era bag (canvas)
These are both haversacks/bread bags and not shooting bags.
This is a traditional forum and "accoutrements" should not be confused with "modern expedients".
He asked about F&I War period through Rev War period. Not "Late Cabela's" period.
"Homespun" jute bag with leather flap.
Rev Era bag (canvas)
These are both haversacks/bread bags and not shooting bags.
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Capt. Jas. said:
There is a photograph of one of these in Nueman and Kravic's Rev War Collectables book. Black & white photo though, but good enough to base a copy on.
What I was asking about was a shooting bag; not a game bag. I should have been more specific. The pics from Spence and Stupmkiller are along the lines of what I meant; although Spence's seems to be more for carrying game.
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I think you need to consider something small, no larger than say 7x8.
The 2d Virginia Regiment October 12, 1775:
“”¦ Each Company is to draw a sufficient Quantity of Dutch or Russia Drilling to provide Each Soldier with a Shott Pouch with a partition in division in the middle to keep buckshot and bullets separate. Each Soldier to make his own sack and Shot Pouch as near one General Size Pattern as possible”¦”
The 2d Virginia Regiment October 12, 1775:
“”¦ Each Company is to draw a sufficient Quantity of Dutch or Russia Drilling to provide Each Soldier with a Shott Pouch with a partition in division in the middle to keep buckshot and bullets separate. Each Soldier to make his own sack and Shot Pouch as near one General Size Pattern as possible”¦”
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Ted Spring in his Rogers Rangers book says on page 25 that a shooting pouch, which is not the same as a Ranger's haversack, could be made from leather, sail cloth or even wool. Later, he describes a "typical" shooting pouch as made from leather. The sail cloth illustration looks like it would be off-white.
I suspect they used whatever appropriate material was available but can't prove that.
Jeff
I suspect they used whatever appropriate material was available but can't prove that.
Jeff
Just as an FYI: Haversacks were not a civilian item but a military issue to carry rations, plate or bowl and utensils.
Certainly some haversacks went home with the soldiers when their enlistment was up, but not that many as they are commonly listed on regiment and militia returns. These returns are the equipment handed in by the militia, company, or regiment as it replaced old gear; was reassigned to another area where replacements were to be issued; or were mustered out of service. They were commonly made out of linen as cotton canvas was not widely available yet.
Ships sails were also made from linen canvas (not cotton canvas) and were naturally off-white in color. Lots of linen bags of various configurations in use from small drawstring bags up to backpack size. Shooting bags were commonly made out of leather. If you want something other than leather, following the example that Stumpkiller displayed of his homespun bag would be OK. Leather stood up to hard use longer than anything else and was commonly and easily available, which is why it was so widely used.
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Certainly some haversacks went home with the soldiers when their enlistment was up, but not that many as they are commonly listed on regiment and militia returns. These returns are the equipment handed in by the militia, company, or regiment as it replaced old gear; was reassigned to another area where replacements were to be issued; or were mustered out of service. They were commonly made out of linen as cotton canvas was not widely available yet.
Ships sails were also made from linen canvas (not cotton canvas) and were naturally off-white in color. Lots of linen bags of various configurations in use from small drawstring bags up to backpack size. Shooting bags were commonly made out of leather. If you want something other than leather, following the example that Stumpkiller displayed of his homespun bag would be OK. Leather stood up to hard use longer than anything else and was commonly and easily available, which is why it was so widely used.
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On the purely practical side, a "hard" canvas sounds like a wood rasp on a hollow log if you're trying to be quiet in brushy country. I made a couple and it only took a day in the brush each time to turn them into range bags. Hard leathers are just as bad. Softer materials like wool or even burlap are quiet, as are soft leathers. I'm sitting and starring at a heavy burlap bag that was used to ship coffee. Dunno about any historic indicators for heavy burlap, but I'm thinking it might make a dandy quiet hunting bag.
I'm moving this to "Shooting Accessories", because you are asking about a "shooting bag".
The Accoutremenrts category specifically says, "(not your shooting bag)".
The Accoutremenrts category specifically says, "(not your shooting bag)".
Thanks Captain for the VA reference!
Also remember folks, that the "haversack" was a) marked, and b) the property of either the colony or the King. Now with deserters about, what a person might not want on him was a haversack when not actually serving in some military capacity. Reduces the chance of being mis-identified as a deserter (and there were bounties on deserters), or mistaken for a thief. Which may be why civilians really didn't have them when not in military service.
LD
Also remember folks, that the "haversack" was a) marked, and b) the property of either the colony or the King. Now with deserters about, what a person might not want on him was a haversack when not actually serving in some military capacity. Reduces the chance of being mis-identified as a deserter (and there were bounties on deserters), or mistaken for a thief. Which may be why civilians really didn't have them when not in military service.
LD
