Charleville

[Hawkeyes143]

Hello all I have been looking for a smoothbore for a while I was thinking of purchasing a pendersoli charleyville not not sure model I was wondering what you all think 1776 or 1777 and why.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

So they are all very similar, and at a historic event, folks for the most part aren't going to give them a second glance, even when you add the 1795 Springfield into the mix. However, I'd suggest the 1763/1766 Charleville, because it's the oldest version of the group, and much more likely to have been in the hands of the American Army during the AWI than the more modern versions. France sent us older, rather worn muskets, So IF you ever had to sell it off..., you have the best chance of selling it, as you add the possibility of a reenactor willing to buy it. It will also work for anybody wanting simply a "Charleville" musket.

These days, though, the question is can you find any of them in stock?

LD

 

[Youngblood]

The 1763 has a normal buttstock and the 1777 has the big indent for your cheek. Fyi

 

[FlinterNick]

The 1763 has a normal buttstock and the 1777 has the big indent for your cheek. Fyi

1763 musket had a cheek piece in the form of a rounded out handrail comb.

1777 took out the handwork in cutting the stock comb the dished out recess was a conventional method of retaining the cheek rest without adding droop to the buttstock.

 

[FlinterNick]

So they are all very similar, and at a historic event, folks for the most part aren't going to give them a second glance, even when you add the 1795 Springfield into the mix. However, I'd suggest the 1763/1766 Charleville, because it's the oldest version of the group, and much more likely to have been in the hands of the American Army during the AWI than the more modern versions. France sent us older, rather worn muskets, So IF you ever had to sell it off..., you have the best chance of selling it, as you add the possibility of a reenactor willing to buy it. It will also work for anybody wanting simply a "Charleville" musket.

These days, though, the question is can you find any of them in stock?

LD

I’d echoe the 63/66. The only year it was not in America was 1775.

 

[Enfield1]

Hello all I have been looking for a smoothbore for a while I was thinking of purchasing a pendersoli charleyville not not sure model I was wondering what you all think 1776 or 1777 and why.

I have both a Pedersoli 2nd Model Brown Bess and a Pedersoli 1766 Charleville. They are both excellent muskets that shoot well and clean up easily with water and cotton cloth. The only thing that I did not expect was the size of the bore for my Charleville. It is supposed to be .69. It must mic out smaller than that. When I make regulation size cartridge buck and ball loads for it, .319 shot is too large. I had to go with a .64 round ball and three .24 #4 buckshot. I have seen Mike Beliveau on his youtube shoots mention this, as well, so it I guess it is not just me. My "Bess", however, is a howitzer. My load for it is a .71 round ball with three .319 buckshot.

 

[Hawkeyes143]

Great to know thanks

 

[ELewis]

I have both a Pedersoli 2nd Model Brown Bess and a Pedersoli 1766 Charleville. They are both excellent muskets that shoot well and clean up easily with water and cotton cloth. The only thing that I did not expect was the size of the bore for my Charleville. It is supposed to be .69. It must mic out smaller than that. When I make regulation size cartridge buck and ball loads for it, .319 shot is too large. I had to go with a .64 round ball and three .24 #4 buckshot. I have seen Mike Beliveau on his youtube shoots mention this, as well, so it I guess it is not just me. My "Bess", however, is a howitzer. My load for it is a .71 round ball with three .319 buckshot.

I have a Pedersoli 1763/1766 Charleville that I built from a kit. When I took a pair of inner diameter calipers to the muzzle, I recorded it at around .682 as best as I can tell (it's hard to measure something round).

 

[barracudadave67]

You can measre round holes with Ball Gages. They come in sets with different expansion sizes

 

[ord sgt]

I carried my 1777 Charleville along while crossing the Delaware river with General Washington on Christmas morning, preparing to attack Trenton. No one noticed or cared.