Most of the custom, high priced hunting pouches have a cloth lining. I think Buckskinning III had an article by Madison Grant on pouches but none of them seem to have a cloth lining. QUESTION. Does anyone know whether cloth lined bags are historically correct? If so, was the lining loose or glued? I think barge cement, etc was available at the time.
Cloth Lined Bags
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I believe some were cloth lined, and some had facings of thinner skin inside the flap for the added weight and decorative layerings that allows.. Hunting bags were as varried then as they are now. I'll check my Madison Grant book tonight.
The bag that a cobbler, tack shop or saddlemaker offerred would be much different from what was put together at the cabin or salvaged from an old boot. There was home-spun and store bought just as there is today.
The bag that a cobbler, tack shop or saddlemaker offerred would be much different from what was put together at the cabin or salvaged from an old boot. There was home-spun and store bought just as there is today.
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I don't believe they had Barge Cement back then, shoe-goo either. I'm not really laughing at you, it just sounds that way. I use both items when I can hide their presence. They did have hide glue. It was hard brittle stuff. We wouldn't consider it worth the effort compared to todays chemicals.
Shooting bags came both lined and unlined. If you were wealthy you had them made and if you were poor you used what you could find.
Most people carried a "poke" of some type, since pockets were not common on 18th century clothing. They existed, they just were not common.
If you go to a good fabric shop they will have several types of glue that you can use to bind fabric to leather. If you are backing your leather like this you can use thinner stuff and it will be easier to sew too.
I have one bag that I used Sabo glue to attach a pillow ticking liner to soft buckskin. Been carrying it 6-8 years now without major disaster. Nothing has broken or fallen off yet.
Like Stumpkiller said, bags varried greatly, there are no hard and fast rules. You just do not want too many bells and whistles on a primitive bag. As long as you keep it real simple you'll avoid problems historically.
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Shooting bags came both lined and unlined. If you were wealthy you had them made and if you were poor you used what you could find.
Most people carried a "poke" of some type, since pockets were not common on 18th century clothing. They existed, they just were not common.
If you go to a good fabric shop they will have several types of glue that you can use to bind fabric to leather. If you are backing your leather like this you can use thinner stuff and it will be easier to sew too.
I have one bag that I used Sabo glue to attach a pillow ticking liner to soft buckskin. Been carrying it 6-8 years now without major disaster. Nothing has broken or fallen off yet.
Like Stumpkiller said, bags varried greatly, there are no hard and fast rules. You just do not want too many bells and whistles on a primitive bag. As long as you keep it real simple you'll avoid problems historically.
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I checked my copy of Madison Grant's "The Kentucky Rifle Hunting Pouch" and he barely mentions lined bags. Bags with lined flaps that had piercings to show the tradecloth or color dyed leather beneath were briefly popular around 1820 and, he estimates, the introduction of the sewing machine made other style of ornamentation possible. (see page 45). Other than that, I couldn't find mention of linings from him. Unfortunately, of the dozens of pictures, none have the flap up so you can see ant possible linings.
If you're interested in buying one, I would ask the craftsman for his source of authenticity (some have studied originals). If you are making your own, I would shy away from a lining.
I have two I made with red wool cloth under the flap and a deerskin piece sewn underhneath to sandwich it (one I used rubber cement to hold the wool to the deerskin. The wool was left about 1/2" larger than the outer flap and I "pinked" it to form a jagged edge. It looks official. My source was a Tandy Leather Co. pattern book (hey, what did I know?). I have since seen other modern bags that have the same design elements, and I wonder if the original is out there or if others have used that same pattern book. :hmm:
If you're interested in buying one, I would ask the craftsman for his source of authenticity (some have studied originals). If you are making your own, I would shy away from a lining.
I have two I made with red wool cloth under the flap and a deerskin piece sewn underhneath to sandwich it (one I used rubber cement to hold the wool to the deerskin. The wool was left about 1/2" larger than the outer flap and I "pinked" it to form a jagged edge. It looks official. My source was a Tandy Leather Co. pattern book (hey, what did I know?). I have since seen other modern bags that have the same design elements, and I wonder if the original is out there or if others have used that same pattern book. :hmm:
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Ghost,.... Ain't thet tha truth 'bout "bells and whistles" :crackup:!!
Always makes me chuckle whenever I see "medalions" from'a bunch of rendezvous attached to some feller's shoot'n bag!! (Same goes fer hats!!) :crackup:
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Thanks everybody for all the help. I know the barge cement sounds like a stupid question but I think patent leather came out around the time of the Civil War so I thought maybe barge cement was around at that time or maybe a little earlier. What got this cloth lined pouch business started in my mind was looking at some of the very high priced, custom bags. Most of these bags are cloth lined. A lot of them have rings just above the bag to which the straps are fastened. A lot have webbed straps. From my looking at actual old bags(photos)it seems none have a cloth lining nor these rings at the strap ends. Cloth straps are seen so they are PC. I did a bag with flap cut outs, red wood and deerskin backing. I sort of copied a bag I saw in a book by Henry Kaufman on the Kentucky/Pennsylvania Rifle. I think these cut outs were fairly common, probably more so East of the Mississippi.
