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rawhide

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Can shooting in cold weather realty change acrucey that much the other dsu I shot my. 32 it was like 30 out. Shot group sucked in the spring this gun shoots sub. moa weird... I shoot 15 grns of FFFg a .311 cast ball and a .015 patch. Gin is a Crockett small game rifle by traditions.
 
I live in Minnesota,
30 degrees is not cold.

Some guy's around here I know say their groups change when it's cold.

I have not seen that happen, at least with my rifles :idunno:
 
I would up my powder charge a few grains to see if groups improve.

A firearm is a heat engine, no heat no pressure.
Reduce pressure and you reduce velocity possibly into the bad group pressure zone.

The very cold barrel steel will have a much larger cooling effect on the hot powder gases and cooling this gas will reduce its pressure, verses the same shot taken in the summer when its very hot and the barrel steel has absorbed the heat of the day.

Also if your patch lube is near frozen it may make the patch stiff and not allow the patch to seal off the powder gases as well as it does on a summer day.
 
I seriously doubt 30 degrees made any difference. Maybe -30 but not +30. :hmm:
I know mine don't shoot at all when it gets below 20, no 25, now that I am getting older because I don't go out and shoot! :shocked2:
 
Yeah my rifles have that problem too! It seems that getting smarter is part of growing older! Geo. T.
 
How was your sight picture, fuzzy? When shooting in cold weather here, my sights tend to get a mirage effect, due to a heated barrel. Doesn't happen when it's warm out, just when it's cold.

30 degrees isn't cold enough to effect ballistics, lube, powder, etc, to a noticeable degree, but it will create heat waves off your barrel if your sights are not very tall. Sometimes it looks like your sights are doing a genie dance. A hot barrel in cold weather might be your problem. Bill
 
more likely..if its cold,,its how you're dressing..changes how you hold the gun...never had any gun of mine change cause of temp...but that jus an opinion
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Have shot target at our range in Pa. mountains between -20 to -40 F. Small change, nothing to worry about with mine and brothers flinter. Only problem we had was when the weapon first came outside and chilled down the hammer didnt want to drop very fast. Left it sit for awhile and worked it a few times, loaded and started shooting. Had to be carefull with cleaning patches, tend to stick.Always got a good spark which supprised me. Thought it might take it away being that cold. It doesnt take very long for the weapon to chill back down either. Wasnt much else to do in the mountains back then.
 
Thought I might add that I have shot a buck at -40F. and before I could get to it and get the knife out to gut it it was going pretty stiff. Also when you reach inside to pull out the guts it will set you back on your butt. You will swear you just got burned. That is the difference from very cold hands and warm guts. It is a real shock. Now trying to drag and load a frozen deer is another thing. We had a mile drag and it caught on everything. If I ever do it again I will tie the legs together close to the body.
 
rawhide said:
Can shooting in cold weather realty change acrucey that much the other dsu I shot my. 32 it was like 30 out. Shot group sucked in the spring this gun shoots sub. moa weird... I shoot 15 grns of FFFg a .311 cast ball and a .015 patch. Gin is a Crockett small game rifle by traditions.
I'm going to disagree with the consensus here and say that temperature does have an effect on velocity and pressure. The rule of thumb is that whatever temperature your rifle is sighted in at, velocity will change, for a modern jacketed bullet, by 1.7 fps for every degree of temperature change. So a PRB should be similarly effected. Practically speaking, unless you are shooting competitively, this may not have much net effect on the average shooter shooting at short distances.
 
Living in Alberta we do a lot of shooting and hunting in weather that is anywhere from 0 to minus 40 F. The coldest I have hunted in is caribou and seal in the Territories, it was minus 55 F.

Cold weather, we never bring the guns into a warm room or vehicle. This avoids condensation and other problems. Guns are lubed with dry graphite or shot completely dry. We use a lot of stainless but at minus 20 and below, you won't get rust even on chrome moly. On CFs, all loads are made with magnum primers. Percussion, same.

With CFs, at -20 you will see your POI drop about an inch at 200, from what it did at +70. With Black powder and open sights and the relatively short distances, I have never noticed any change in POI.

A few things you will find, regular oil gets a lot thicker as you get close to freezing and turns to a thick glue at -20 and concrete at minus 35. Your larger groups are far more likely the result of the slower moving lock parts than any effect on the powder at +30. If you are going to shoot at freezing to minus 20 use a good synthetic oil/graphite lube, or full synthetic oil, 0-20 Mobile 1 and Amsoil are common for barrel internal and external) for lube. Below -20, dry graphite or no lube at all on any moving parts and full synthetic on anything that is just a surface, though bore we leave dry.
 
Excuse me for having a hard time believing you Richard. But, just when and where was that you were shooting in Pennsylvania at -40?

The lowest temperature on record here in Pennsylvania was -42 and that was on Jan 5th, 1904 in Smethport, McKean County. Now assuming that low temperature was at night and you were shooting during the day???

The coldest climactic division in the state is #10 (North East corner) with average mean temperatures during the flintlock deer season in Dec/Jan of 3.48 and 2.48 derees respectively. You're talking over a 40 degrees departure from mean in an area that rarely moves more that -2 degrees off mean.

Perhaps it was windchill? Thanks, J.D.
 
I've never hunted in Pennsylvania, but I sure have felt like it was minus 40 or something here in Michigan. Besides, the thermometers are in the cities while I am freezing my digits out in the bush. One day I know it was at least minus 15 out there and the TV when I got back to town said plus 28 in our area with winds of 5 to 10 miles an hour. Now, who you gonna believe, the talking head on TV or the reenactor who shivvered through it with frozen fingers in those fake gloves without fingers. graybeard
 
That -42 wasn't recorded in a city. Smethport is a small town of less 1700 and was likely much smaller in 1904.

Now, I've seen the temperture in my truck drop 9 degrees from the time I've left my drive at the edge of town by the time I got to the woods. But being out shooting or hunting at -20 in Pennsylvania would be a rare occurance and -40 all but unheard of. Not to mention the fact that most people don't have access to thermometers that can accurately measure -40 F.

Smethport is at about 1500 feet above sea level and there are much higher points in PA. In fact it is very near the highest in McKean County, which is 2,495 feet. Pennsylvania has five peaks twice as high as the elevation of Smethport. So, it's likely he was shooting and hunting much higher than Smethport.

Have seen tempertures recorded that cold? Just the one. I'm simply asking when and where. It's a reasonable question. Enjoy, J.D.
 
Look up Minnesota, -61,,

I was in Hoyt that year when Tower broke the record. The whole darn week was in the balmy -50's.

I was not hunting that week. Did do some ice fishing though, :haha:
 
Yep, Michigan, Minnesota, don't doubt it a bit. Had a good friend from the Twin City area. He said folks would come up there during the Summer and fall in love with place and move there. They moved away after their first "good" Winter. :shake:

Enjoy, J.D.
 
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