Colt 2nd Generation Pistols

[TonyF]

Hi All, There is a local fellow looking to sell a few NIB Colt 2nd Gen Percussion pistols.
I'm searching a lot of websites and overall feeling is they are a quality made firearm.
Just looking to get some input from any owners or previous owners on the quality and value and collectibility?

Thanks
Tony

 

[Bob McBride]

They are of the highest quality and are the most collectible of the replicas, especially the ‘C’s.

 

[TonyF]

Hi Bob, I appreciate your input .
I know this is a vague question, but what value do you place on them compared to the Uberti’s and it Pietta’s ?
The fellow is looking for $500 each. #1 is a pocket police,
#2 pocket Navy
# 3 1860 army .
Thanks again,
Tony

 

[Bob McBride]

They’re worth twice as much or nearly so NIB. That’s a good deal on the army and about right, maybe a tad high, for the police. IMO. Guys more tuned into the immediate market will chime in but, if I waved $800 for the pair and he took it I would think I got a super sweet deal.

 

[ThreeCrows]

Check out duelist1954's videos on the 2nd Gen Colts, it explains exactly how they were made.
ThreeCrows

 

[TonyF]

Hi ThreeCrows,
I watched it on YouTube the other night .
Great info , kinda interesting the uberti made the barrel, cylinder and backstrap.
Then Iver Johnson built them.
Thanks for the input.
Tony

 

[Coot]

Sold by Colt as genuine Colts, quality as good (very very high) as any other real Colt. For quality & collectability you won't get better. Check Gunbroker.com for an idea of prices.

PS - the "pocket" models work best with smaller hands - but if seller is local, you can see how they fit you.

 

[TonyF]

Some pics attached, not a lot of detail

 

[FishDFly]

What is the time frame (beginning to end) years and model numbers for 2nd Generation Colts?

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

Great guns but at this point, they are not shooters. They are collectors pieces.

Prices on the Black Box F and Cs have skyrocketed in recent years. I would NOT recommend buying one, especially one NIB, with intentions of firing.

 

[Zonie]

According to my information, the second generation Colt pistols were totally machined by the Colt factory, using raw Italian castings from Uberti. They did not use barrels or other parts that were machined in Italy.

 

[DOUBLEDEUCE 1]

Beautiful revolvers. As far as collecting goes, I have to agree, I would probably not shoot them. If you could manage the Colt and the Uberti copy, I’d shoot the Uberti. But that is just me. I started out with Colts and shot them. The majority remain unfired. I discovered the Uberti offerings a long time ago and shoot those instead now. Again, just me.

 

[TonyF]

Guys, thanks for all the replies and information.
anyone know what these were selling for new in the 70's and 80's ?

 

[Zonie]

Guys, thanks for all the replies and information.
anyone know what these were selling for new in the 70's and 80's ?

The Blue Book ofModern Black Powder Values gives these prices as the MSR

1851 Navy square back trigger guard = $200
1851 Nave round trigger guard = $200
1860 Army = $431
1862 Pocket Navy = $394
1862 Pocket Police = $394

These are the basic pistols prices. There were dozens of different special versions of these pistols, like the 1860 Army Bright Nickel (MSR $580), or the 1860 Army 150th Anniversary Engraved Sampler, High polish blue (MSR $1290) and Full Bright Nickle (MSR $1484).

Production of the 2nd Gen pistols stopped in 1982. Inflation between then and now results in that $200 MSR increasing to $551 in today's money.

 

[TonyF]

Zonie,
Thanks, that is a great information and explanation of the value then and know.
Tony

 

[George]

I bought these boxed Lee and Grant Navies with matching serial numbers in 1971. They are unfired.

Spence

 

[TonyF]

Spence,
Beautiful set of pistols.
If you don’t mind me asking what are the value of the pair ?
Tony

 

[Zonie]

Spence:

In case you didn't know, the Blue Book says there were 4,750 of the Grant Commemorative and an equal number of the Lee Commemorative sets made. They were both produced only in 1971.
The MSR for the Grant set and the Lee set was $250. ( $250 in 1971 dollars = $1632 in 2020 dollars).

In 2003, when my copy of the Blue Book was published, it says the value of your sets was, $675 for each set. That would be $966 in today's dollars.

Of course over time, demands change so a wild guess on my part says each of your pistol sets would be worth over $1500 today. With the rapid increase in the prices of all muzzleloaders costs today, it's probably even be higher.

 

[George]

Thanks, Zonie. I love it when you talk like that.

Spence

 

[flintsteel]

I have all ten of the models NIB that I will probably sell in a couple years as age catches up with me. But not right now.

1860 fluted Army
1860 Navy
1851 Navy
1860 Pocket Navy
1860 Pocket Police
1849 Baby Dragoon
Walker
1st, 2nd, and 3rd Dragoon