Crazy T/C Claims

[Swampman]

People seem to post all kinds of crazy stuff on the net without any real basis. Here are some that I've run into lately.

All T/C parts are made by Investarms in Italy & assembled in the US.

All T/C barrels are made by Green Mountain

T/C flintlocks are made by L&R

T/C no longer makes parts for traditional guns and is jsut assembling complete guns from parts. When the parts run out they will stop making traditional guns.

I believe all these claims are :bull:

What say ye?

 

[Doug Lykins]

Ahh, you know how rumors get started Mark, most of it's hogwash. I suppose it's possible they'll stop making traditional MLers. New ones retail at somewhere around $600 and I doubt they're selling very many at that price. I have two complete TC rifles, one that is near new, more than enough parts for a third and barely have $600 in everything I own. So, the market is poor for these as well as other factory MLers, at least in my neck of the woods.

 

[Dave K]

I have to admit, back in '79 I had both my GPR and T/C Hawken. Other than the cast in engraving on the T/C lock, they sure looked to be the very same. I had to get a replacement sear for my T/C and for the fun of it, it fit perfectly into my GPR lock.

 

[renovato]

Given that most people don't read or listen for detail, I can see how some of the rumors get started. Person A tells person B that Investarm makes the Lyman guns. Person B either hears Thompson instead of Lyman, or simply comfuses the two brands, and voila, instant rumor. Of course rumors spread like wildfire, while truth struggles to be believed.

I haven't heard any of those rumors, actually, but I've seen so many different rumors about so many different guns that I'm not surprised.

I am curious how the rumor about T/C stopping making traditional guns got started, and if there isn't a shred of truth hidden in there somewhere. T/C has strongly focused on the modern market in the last years and interest in traditional factory guns is fading as the "new and improved" plastic zip guns and various high tech bullet hoses are becoming the new fad.

 

[Dave K]

I can almost see how the rumor that T/C stopped making tradional guns got started. If you don't come to websites such as this, you may not know. Look at a T/C advertisement some place, and all you see are thier modern offerings. So if you were a buyer and weren't willing to dig deeper, you would assume that they are no longer making them.

 

[Walks Alone]

I get a kick out of the ones where someone insists they bought their TC (fill in the blank) new in the box years to decades before the product line was produced by TC, and in some cases even before TC was formed as a company. Then there are the folks who bought theirs years before their serial number dictates it was made.

 

[cowpoke1955]

It is easy to assume that T/C will be dropping their traditional line. Besides the Fire Storm with it's composite stock and using pellets, the only real traditional rifle they now offer is the Hawkens in .50 caliber only. All the rest have been dropped, while their price for the Hawkens has gone up like Pedersoli. No more Hawkens in .45 or .54 and no more Renegades period :shake: . I can see why people think such things.

 

[ohio ramrod]

While I don't buy into any of the rumors I do have a question. Is the TC custom shop still taking orders for replacement parts (barrels etc. ) for the older guns no longer being made?

 

[sproulman]

as the game commissions/dcnr/dnr want to get deer killed off so they can certify their forests,the flintlock muzz will soon be a thing of past.
i am surprised its not now. :shocked2:

they are letting IN-LINES into archery seasons and now rumors they may let the IN-LINES into late flintlock seasons to kill off the deer that are left. :barf:

after that, you will see END to the flintlocks.

 

[CZMark]

Not in Wisconsin. The DNR seems to finally realize they are killing too many deer.

 

[Swampman]

In PA you'll never kill too many deer. There's too many to kill.

 

[sproulman]

the deer was EASY way for dcnr/dnr to get their forests CERTIFIED,it cost them nothing but soil is still full of ACID avg 4.0 when it should be 6/7 ph.

no way OAKS will grow with very acid soils,maples shading ground,leaves 3 inchs thick on floor.

sorry i got off topic a little. :redface:

 

[sproulman]

respectfully, wrong! :shocked2:

 

[zimmerstutzen]

TC parts made by Investarms??? Why insult the Italians? For the flintlocks, Invest arms would be a step up.

TC lock geomoetry is off and the case hardened frizzens are the worst cheapest shlock. Hard to believe that TC knew of that problem for so many yers and didn't correct it.

Everytime I hear somebody brag about the TC lifetime warranty, I think darn good thing too, otherwise there would be alot of angry customers. ever hear of anyone needing to send back an Investarms frizzen?

 

[Dphar]

respectfully, wrong! :shocked2:

I am no expert on PA of course but MT gets pretty liberal with doe tags when the numbers get high and we were really over populated with WTs north of here and I was killing a 2-3 does every year and some Mule deer. But Blue Tongue struck and knocked the numbers back. Knocked the heck out of Antelope too. Does not seem to kill a lot of MD but they have been dropping in numbers too and they do this in cycles. I had heard that the warm weather was increasing some worm infestation or other.
So If you have had a great drop in numbers looking into disease might be enlightening. MT trys to kill the WT down just to prevent overpopulation and then big disease die offs.
I had 6 deer tags last year and failed to fill one WT. But the numbers killed generally do not cause the deer numbers to plummet.
Friend found about 40+- dead WT deer on a piece of property he owns after the Blue Tongue went through and he has under 80 acres IIRC.

Dan

 

[Mad Professor]

Never owned a Investarms/Lyman flinties.

I've both in percussion and TC is much greater quality.

They do do seem to interchange though. Be careful as some of the Italian guns don't match the tang well, same for GM IBS barrels.

Might set it an 1/8" low/high hook to breech. Know this from experience.......

All the parts are really close, most triggers interchange, but the Davis triggers are better.......

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

There are a number of oak trees that do well in acidic soils--red oak and chestnut oak are a couple, but there are others.

It is a little known fact, however, that T/C rifles do not do well in acidic soils. Fortunately there is that warranty..... :rotf:

 

[Swampman]

Investarms reverse engineered (took one apart & copied it) the T/C Hawken. That's why the parts sometimes interchange. The Lyman/Investarms is a fair copy of a great product.

 

[Keppy]

Investarms reverse engineered (took one apart & copied it) the T/C Hawken. That's why the parts sometimes interchange. The Lyman/Investarms is a fair copy of a great product.

:hmm: Where did you get that information?

 

[webmaster]

as the game commissions/dcnr/dnr want to get deer killed off so they can certify their forests,the flintlock muzz will soon be a thing of past.
i am surprised its not now. :shocked2:

they are letting IN-LINES into archery seasons and now rumors they may let the IN-LINES into late flintlock seasons to kill off the deer that are left. :barf:

after that, you will see END to the flintlocks.

This thread is about "Crazy T/C Claims", not hunting or in-lines.

Please EVERYONE stay on topic.