Curly Maple Hawk handles ??

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Where can I find some?

I picked up a beutifull, hand forged hawk head this weekend from one of the members here.
Wrought Iron with a cold weld steel insert,,
NICE PIECE! :thumbsup:

Although Cutshurt say's it's a working hawk, this head deserves a special handle and a special place. It accepts a standard large size taper handle,,I don't have a piece large enough to fill the slot,,where can I find a nice handle??

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you can use a 1.5"x1.5" maple or oak baluster for a handle, or see if a store bought handle will fit. Both will equire rasping to shape

Grant
 
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Wick Ellerbe said:
OK, I give up. What is a cold weld?
Cold or contact welding was first recognized as a general materials phenomenon in the 1940s. It was then discovered that two clean, flat surfaces of similar metal would strongly adhere if brought into contact under vacuum.

Cold welding is a solid-state welding process in which joining takes place without fusion at the interface of the two parts to be welded. Unlike in the fusion-welding processes, no liquid or molten phase is present in the joint.
 
Jack Wilson said:
Wick Ellerbe said:
OK, I give up. What is a cold weld?
Cold or contact welding was first recognized as a general materials phenomenon in the 1940s. It was then discovered that two clean, flat surfaces of similar metal would strongly adhere if brought into contact under vacuum.

Cold welding is a solid-state welding process in which joining takes place without fusion at the interface of the two parts to be welded. Unlike in the fusion-welding processes, no liquid or molten phase is present in the joint.
So no heat at all? Must be one heck of a vacuum chamber! Without fusion how could it be considered a weld?
Not arguing! just trying to understand! :v
 
If you call R.E Davis, give him the size of the opening in the head, as all of his handles are made for his heads & they are smaller than some. Dunlaps handles will be larger handles & fit the larger holes in the heads. I have bought & used them from both with good results.

Keith Lisle
 
In cold welding, pressure is applied to the workpieces through dies or rolls. Because of the plastic deformation involved, it is necessary that at least one (but preferably both) of the mating parts be ductile. Prior to welding, the faying surfaces are de-greased, wire-brushed, and wiped to remove oxide smudges. Cold welding can be used to join small workpieces made of soft, ductile metals.

It is now known that the force of adhesion following first contact can be augmented by pressing the metals tightly together, increasing the duration of contact, raising the temperature of the workpieces, or any combination of the above. Research has shown that even for very smooth metals, only the high points of each surface, called asperities, touch the opposing piece. Perhaps as little as a few thousandths of a percent of the total surface is involved. However, these small areas of taction develop powerful molecular connections; electron microscope investigations of contact points reveal that an actual welding of the two surfaces takes place after which it is impossible to discern the former asperitic interface. If the original surfaces are sufficiently smooth, attractive van der Waals forces between contact points eventually draw the two pieces completely together and eliminate even the macroscopic interface.

Exposure to oxygen or certain other reactive compounds produces surface layers that reduce or completely eliminate the cold welding effect. This is especially true if, for example, a metal oxide has mechanical properties similar to those of the parent element (or softer), in which case surface deformations do not crack the oxide film. The reason cold welding does not normally occur between metals on earth is because there is a very fine layer of oxidized metal due to the atmosphere. Even when a metal is put into a vacuum, this layer does not disappear without wire-brushing.
 
Sir,

I have also heard of this, and if I recall correctly, the space program in it's early days had problems with this on their orbital and reinsertion craft.

That being said, I can see how it could be of assistance in tempering, as it would be possible to make two separate parts and heat treat them differently, then join them without affecting the temper. Think pattern welding writ large, with perhaps the possibility of using a metal such as titanium for the edge. (I know, not PC; bad Loki, no biscuit!) Betcha it would be fun to set that vacuum chamber up, No?

Loki
 
cutshurt said:
Its forge welded :)

Darrel

OK :confused: Cast, or forged doesn't matter. What does that have to do with the size of the opening in the head ? :idunno:

If you need a handle for it, you need to know the size of the opening, as if you don't & it is too small, then you have to build it up to get it to work, then make things to cover up the buildup, etc.
Buy a handle larger than the opening in the head, & you work it down & properly fit it to the opening. :idunno: Or at least that is how I make them. I am sure there are lots of dif. ways of doing it.

Keith Lisle
 
zampilot said:
Try John Donelson.

That's just where I went, :grin: :thumbsup:
For those that don't know, this is a local guy, a true craftsmen,,lock, stock and barrel. http://www.donelsoncustommuzzleloaders.com/index.html

Any way's he's set-up at the Elk River Wapiti Shoot this weekend for demonstrations, and I made a day trip down to see what he had, found a nice piece of curly that has alot of movement in it, pre-stained kinda dark but I'll strip it and have plenty too remove too fit it. I really wanna do something nice to this handle an hawk head, silver wire-maybe poured pewter, it'll take some time to plan and finish but I'll post photo's when done.
 
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