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kingsax26

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ok so Ive been bitten by the Rondy Bug...(blame NIT Wit) and I am making my own Daimonf shelter....just trying to get some feed back on setup.....what is the most stable setup for a daimond? im going to be in an area with both available trees and open ground to set up in... just looking for what different folks have to say about there preferred way of using the daimond not sure if it matter but my daimond is 12x15...couldnt find anyting in 12x12
 
I recommend NOT setting it up as a diamond but as a lean-to instead. Stake one side to the ground then bring the opposite end to a crossbar (over a crossbar if you want to create a covered "porch area). Or over a ridge (rope or pole) and stake down like a tent with no ends (take the 15ft length over the ridge and stake the 12ft ends down). Set up as the latter, a 12x15 will sleep 2 with lots of space or 4-5 very cozy with enough room for gear. You can accomplish much with a few uprights (2-4), some rope and a few stakes.

A diamond was the least useful configuration I've ever tried, and very space-limiting/claustrophobic.
 
Bryon said:
Can a lean to be made fairly weather tight?
Weather-tight might be a bit of an over-assessment, but a lean-to can keep you out of the wind, rain and snow if you pay attention to the direction of the prevailing wind/weather. Do keep in mind that the direction can/may shift at sunrise and sunset (or at any other time, depending on where you live), so plan accordingly.

On the other hand, I've spent far more nights sleeping under the night sky than under a shelter. Setting up a shelter in fair weather is a waste of time. In most cases, it's easier to use the tarp as a groundcloth to keep forest litter off the blankets, with a portion pulled over you to cut any wind.
 
If you can add a second tarp to close one side or the other, it greatly improves the lean-to.
 
Do yourself a favor and make sure you have a good-quality piece of canvas. Those drop-cloths from Home Depot and/or Lowes do not make good shelter canvas. The ones from Sherwin-Willams are far better, and the 2 I have were weather-tight right out of the package, even in torrential down-pours. I have an 8x8 that I made from a Lowes canvas, and it will work as a sun-shade but does little/nothing to keep off moisture of any kind.
 
Yep in good weather the ground tarp IMO covers more ground (as it were) :grin: keeps you & your blanket up out of bugs, mud, and crud. Keeps any light showers at bay.
 
as a matter of fact i bought a very nice canvas from the locsl paint supply store....i looked at home depot and was reminded of a burlap sack.....the canvas i got is 12x15 with a tight weave.....if i had to guess i would say it appears to be about 8oz in wght.....i took it in the back yard todat abd sewed on reinforcing at the corners and added ties
 
With that size you could pick up a small tarp and make a 5 foot high convetable wedge. I've used the lowes tarp for a wedge and it works well. other folk having trouble and me not may be because of the steep angle of a wedge. A lean to is known to have been used at rendezvous. Some folks think a dimond was never used.You may get a ration of crap if you set up one. Wedges are corect where ever and when ever you go.
 
Well, I'm going to say some stuff you probably don't want to hear but maybe worth it to think about for future use. On the lean to...there are some paintings of the time showing a blanket set up as a lean to and sail cloth was reported. Canvas was available in the later era so..lean to probably pc but I've never run across any actual reference. The Diamond, actually for one guy I don't think it is too bad if you are expecting rain, you sacrifice space for better protection from sideways driven rain. If you are in the woods with brush as wind protection, the plain old lean to is actually pretty good in a rain.
One tent on my "To Do" list is a mini-tepee. William Drummond Stewart speaks about a scrap of an old tepee used for a "mini" about 8' tall and maybe 6-7 poles. There's another references but I forget which (1843 "ish") might have been Sage- with the same thing mentioned. Then there is Marcy who wrote post 1840 but was in the west pre-1840 and dealt with a lot of the old mountain men, and in Marcy's book there is an illustration of the same type of mini-tepee and he says it was a "mountain man favorite". There's an Old Kirk Douglas movie where he plays a mountain man, actually pretty good- cordeling a flat boat up the Missouri, etc and he is in a mini-tepee as well. I have been playing with designs and a 12 x 15 tarp ought to be able to be cut into a half circle and used for one of these shelters. If I do it, I might use 2x2's for the poles and round them off and make some sort of ferrule so they can be broken down and put in a vehicle.
 
Rifleman1776 said:
Some folks think a dimond was never used.You may get a ration of crap if you set up one.

Can you document that statement? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Can you document a "diamond" configuration was used...? :blah:
 
Here ( I hope ) is a picture of a lean too made from a 12x16 tarp. You can adjust the "drop " side by the spacing between the cross poles.

Wow that is the first picture I managed to post on the new computer. The old one died last month. As you can see the amount of the drop side determines how well it is water tight from the back side. Simple "side curtains are easily added. if desired. :idunno:
 
In response to all...the information is much appreciated...I may consider a lean to,however the issue I have is poles...I have no room for them. What I was thinking of doing was actually making atie in side for the dainond in case of bad weather..or maybe even putting a pole in farther to allow excess to make a wall... I saw a pic but don't know how to describe it lol...besides.... with a 12x15 tattoo... If all else fails I can always make a wedge
 
Bryon said:
I may consider a lean to,however the issue I have is poles...I have no room for them.
Byron,
The poles I used were about 5 feet long. With rope and stakes, no crossbar is really needed. A couple of uprights are really all you need.
 
With a little engineering, rope and some existing trees, not even poles are necessary.
 
A tarp set up in the "diamond" configuration can be VERY stable in a stormy situation. I have stayed in them during some pretty nasty weather and watched lean-to, wedge, and wall tents blown down while my shelter stayed put. You want the open end facing down-wind when the storm hits. In the event the wind direction changes just prior to a storm it is fast and easy to switch which corner is raised.

If you will be using a tree for a main pole first tie one corner to the tree at the desired height of your open end. Next stake the diagonal corner to the ground. Then stake the 2 remaining corners down where they meet the ground when the canvas is pulled tight and add a couple of stakes along each edge that rests on the ground.

When using a pole to hold up the front on open ground, first stake down the rear corner. Then tie the front corner to the top of your pole and stake the front pole using 2 ropes and stakes set at angles out in front of your tarp. Proceed with the sides as before.

The center can be propped up with a short pole, tied to an overhanging tree limb with a rope, or a rope can be run inside from the front pole/tree to the rear stake.

If you desire an enclosed camp, your tarp can be set up by using a pole half as long as one side placed in the center of one side.
First stake down the rear edge straight. Then prop up the center of the opposite/front edge in the center. The loose corners of the front edge will hang down to the bottom of your front pole and can be tied to the pole to keep them closed or you can prop them up with poles and have a lean-to in minutes.
You can also use a tree for the front of this set-up. If you do, then start by hanging the center of one edge to the tree so the bottom touches the ground and then staking down the rear edge.
 
Jethro...I really like the idea of folding the sides onto the center pole... Im assuming that the front pole would need to be staked down.... Im assuming with two ropes? Also does seeing up like this affect the weather resistant~ness of the canvas as I don't see where the front would be very tight. Bit over all that sounds like a very easy set up... Plus I'd only need one short pole.... Which I think I can manage
 
Right, stake the front pole with one or 2 ropes. I like 2 but one will do the job since both rear corners are staked. Or use a tree...

This is pretty weather resistant. My tarp has ties in several locations along the sides and I can tie the front opening to the pole at multiple spots to keep it from blowing open. You will still want the rear facing the wind. The sides, and one front corner, can also be staked down to the ground if the wind is really blowing.

One of these days when I set up this way I mean to try running ropes inside the canvas from each rear corner stake to the top of the front pole for even more support with less sag.

It is a very easy set-up. Takes about 5 minutes. Tears down just as easy.
The only disadvantage is that there is some wasted space at the rear where the canvas is very low to the ground. Still plenty of room in a 12 x 12 for a couple of guys and gear.
 
My tarp is 12x15....so then size should be fine....i might be a tad worried as its not square .....Apparently 12x12 tarps are hard to find. Also...does putting something like a rope against t he inside of the canvas cause water to bleed through as would happen with a nylon tent?
 
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