I shot my CVA .58 hawken today and have never shot a gun with double set triggers. This is the gun I got as a raffle prize. It shot pretty well. Still am not going to keep it because it would be too expensive to shoot since I don't cast balls. I was shooting my .22 at my steel spinner plate target at 100 yards. The plate is 4X12" and just for the heck of it I loaded that thing up with 90 grains of powder and sure enough that target was swingin!!! It turns out I hit the target right on the weld and broke it :shake:. Even though I shot good with this gun I don't intend on keeping it. However, whatever gun I get next, will have double set triggers :haha:.
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Dang! I need Somethin' W/ Double Triggers
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Double set triggers are good, I have a few, BUT a rifle with a properly tuned lock, will hold its own with the best of them.
Polish your lock, carefully stone your sear, and you will be surprised.
Old Ford
Polish your lock, carefully stone your sear, and you will be surprised.
Old Ford
I'm pretty sure you can do it too that Renegade. The TC double will fit in the hole that's there, you just gotta add a trigger guard.
It's late now but I'll check in the next few days.
It's late now but I'll check in the next few days.
I have a set trigger on my Rennegade, but I don't often use it- and never for hunting (2 cliks is bad news to critters, and too much chance of accidental discharge). Even on the range, I can shoot about as well without it. Part of the fun (for me) in shooting is proper technique, including trigger control. Still, it's fun every once in a while to change things up. Just wouldn't be the deciding factor in purchasing a gun if it was me ... but then, it ain't- it's you. Hope you find what yer lookin' fer.
Dan C
Edit: by the way, I'll buy yer raffle ticket and pay the shiping if you wanna send that rifle to me ... just a thot occured to me there ... :hmm:
Dan C
Edit: by the way, I'll buy yer raffle ticket and pay the shiping if you wanna send that rifle to me ... just a thot occured to me there ... :hmm:
DanC said:
I'd have to disagree, personnally I use my double set trigger. I set it, if i see game, i **** my hammer. I dont feel as this adds any accidental discharge potential and dont find any "trigger control" disadvantages, Rather helps one shoot more accurately! then again, as mentioned, its a question of preference, each there own! cheers!
Same here. I will never understand why some folks feel the need to **** the hammer, and then set the trigger. When I hunt, the trigger is set, so all I need to do is pull back the hammer and aim.
I suppose if it's a pshycological safety practice, then it's the right thing to do if it can make a person feel safer. I just don't think NOT setting the trigger adds any real safety to hunting, other than piece of mind. :surrender: Bill
I suppose if it's a pshycological safety practice, then it's the right thing to do if it can make a person feel safer. I just don't think NOT setting the trigger adds any real safety to hunting, other than piece of mind. :surrender: Bill
I think that a dangerous practice. More than a few tumblers have had their half-**** notch broken off by someone clicking the set triggers with the hammer at half-****. If that happened with a loaded and capped rifle it could well fire. That's why the practice of cocking the hammer and then setting the trigger only with the butt at the shoulder and muzzle in a safe direction.
I have no use for set triggers on a hunting rifle and very little use for them in target shooting. If the lock and triggers are set up to provide a crisp three pound pull, that's pretty hard to improve upon.
I have no use for set triggers on a hunting rifle and very little use for them in target shooting. If the lock and triggers are set up to provide a crisp three pound pull, that's pretty hard to improve upon.
I guess I never got into the set trigger mode, I have had quite a few guns with set triggers but never used them for practice or hunting, another matter of personal choice I guess :idunno: Get yourself set up for molding your own ammo, it can be kinda fun and opens the door for new additions to the wall, often one can shop around for used gear and cut the cost in half.
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Don't risk damaging your half-**** notch by setting the trigger first, and then cocking the hammer later. If you simply hold the gun against your stomach, and put your hand over the outside of the lock as you set the trigger or **** the hammer, the sound will be muffled to the point it won't be heard much beyond a couple of feet. Even you will have a hard time hearing it. ( You will actually FEEL the "sound" of the metal "clicking" as you **** either the hammer back to full ****, or set the trigger( I don't use a set trigger when hunting, unless I have a very long shot and a steady rest to use to help steady the sights on my gun).
When cocking the hammer back, you can eliminate the noise of "cocking" by simply holding the trigger back while you pull the hammer back, then release the trigger, and then lower the hammer to catch on the sear. [ The same "hold-the-trigger-back" technique is employed when cocking a Single Action revolver( BP or cartridge) when you don't want the sound of cocking the hammer to give away your position or action. ]
Practice these tips with an UNLOADED GUN, asking family or friends to stand a different distances to you and ask them if they can hear the sound of the action as you **** or set the triggers. You will soon learn that you can't rely on your own "ears", because sound travels to your ear drum faster moving through your bones, than it does through the air, to determine if a sound IS Actually LOUD at any distance from you.
Also, remember that in most of the country, Hunting season is held during the COLDER months of the years, so you probably will be wearing gloves, or mittens over your hands. If this is the case, wear the clothing you hunt in during your testing.
I found that cocking a glove with my other hand wearing a glove, muffling the sound by covering the lockplate, reduced the distance at which anyone could hear the sound dramatically. What is an mechanical "Ting", becomes a dull, soft "tick", which sounds much like twigs banging into branches when they fall. Animals take note, but are not alarmed. :thumbsup:
When cocking the hammer back, you can eliminate the noise of "cocking" by simply holding the trigger back while you pull the hammer back, then release the trigger, and then lower the hammer to catch on the sear. [ The same "hold-the-trigger-back" technique is employed when cocking a Single Action revolver( BP or cartridge) when you don't want the sound of cocking the hammer to give away your position or action. ]
Practice these tips with an UNLOADED GUN, asking family or friends to stand a different distances to you and ask them if they can hear the sound of the action as you **** or set the triggers. You will soon learn that you can't rely on your own "ears", because sound travels to your ear drum faster moving through your bones, than it does through the air, to determine if a sound IS Actually LOUD at any distance from you.
Also, remember that in most of the country, Hunting season is held during the COLDER months of the years, so you probably will be wearing gloves, or mittens over your hands. If this is the case, wear the clothing you hunt in during your testing.
I found that cocking a glove with my other hand wearing a glove, muffling the sound by covering the lockplate, reduced the distance at which anyone could hear the sound dramatically. What is an mechanical "Ting", becomes a dull, soft "tick", which sounds much like twigs banging into branches when they fall. Animals take note, but are not alarmed. :thumbsup:
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:v Luie, if you are shooting that well with a single trigger, I can't see how a set trigger would be any better for you. I prefer a well tuned single trigger for simplicity sake if nothing else. As a thought you could fit a double trigger to that rifle pretty cheaply. And last but not least .58's are hard on targets and game. Bigger may not always be better, but it is good in most cases. :v
By all means try to keep the rifle.
For all those guy's that are doggin set triggers,,PIFFLE!
Their a blast, they work, they are HC, and they have won a ton of matches.
"Oh I have my single set just right", "I like to feel the sear", "I don't need a set","It makes too much noise",WAUGH!
The break time an crispness of a nicely tuned set an sear combo is a thing of beauty,,
,,Touch-Bang!
If ya don't wanna use the set ya don't hafta, that's why they call them double lever double set.
Break the tumbler buy setting the trigger first? What? Cheesh! :shake:
For all those guy's that are doggin set triggers,,PIFFLE!
Their a blast, they work, they are HC, and they have won a ton of matches.
"Oh I have my single set just right", "I like to feel the sear", "I don't need a set","It makes too much noise",WAUGH!
The break time an crispness of a nicely tuned set an sear combo is a thing of beauty,,
,,Touch-Bang!
If ya don't wanna use the set ya don't hafta, that's why they call them double lever double set.
Break the tumbler buy setting the trigger first? What? Cheesh! :shake:
No, not by "setting the trigger first" but by letting the set trigger pop with the sear at half-****, that has broken the notch off many a tumbler. If the triggers are set for a light pull, which is the whole point of a set trigger, you'll fire the gun before your glove clad, cold numbed finger even feels the contact. Having the triggers pre-set eliminates the possiblity of silently cocking the hammer and introduces the possiblity of firing the rifle before you really want to.
Set triggers are fine on a schuetzen rife but even there I suspect a good marksman could do very nearly as well with a good 3 pound trigger. The main reason most reproduction rifles come with double set triggers is because they can slap the triggers togather more easily than hand fitting the lock for a good single trigger pull.
For a warm day on the range set triggers are fine. For a cold day in the woods I think it best to leave them alone. And since most of us today own and shoot a variety of firearms, 90% of which are single trigger, there is the advantage of consistency in keeping the ML hunting rifle similar to all the others.
If the ML hunting rifle does have set triggers, fine, you can choose to set them or not, but I sure wouldn't walk around with the triggers set.
Set triggers are fine on a schuetzen rife but even there I suspect a good marksman could do very nearly as well with a good 3 pound trigger. The main reason most reproduction rifles come with double set triggers is because they can slap the triggers togather more easily than hand fitting the lock for a good single trigger pull.
For a warm day on the range set triggers are fine. For a cold day in the woods I think it best to leave them alone. And since most of us today own and shoot a variety of firearms, 90% of which are single trigger, there is the advantage of consistency in keeping the ML hunting rifle similar to all the others.
If the ML hunting rifle does have set triggers, fine, you can choose to set them or not, but I sure wouldn't walk around with the triggers set.
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Quote "Still am not going to keep it because it would be too expensive to shoot since I don't cast balls".
Why don't you cast balls.You can buy a Lee mold
from Midway USA for $20 & I buy old roofing lead
from the scrape yard.
Besides it fun casting!
Fly :idunno:
Why don't you cast balls.You can buy a Lee mold
from Midway USA for $20 & I buy old roofing lead
from the scrape yard.
Besides it fun casting!
Fly :idunno:
Piffle...Waugh
hard argue with that....whatever it is, I do not think anyone said they wewre not HC but if one brings that up the PC card must follow so as to narrow the time frame they were used and where, curiously what percentage of plains rifles had them circa 1840-60? and I think most were not Piffling on them just commenting that they were no really needed for normal ML hunting use, and sugesting the keep it simple mindset.Piffle?
hard argue with that....whatever it is, I do not think anyone said they wewre not HC but if one brings that up the PC card must follow so as to narrow the time frame they were used and where, curiously what percentage of plains rifles had them circa 1840-60? and I think most were not Piffling on them just commenting that they were no really needed for normal ML hunting use, and sugesting the keep it simple mindset.Piffle?
Obviously there are different lines of thinking about when is the best time to "set" the trigger.
When hunting, many feel it is best to carry the gun at half **** without the triggers being "set". Then, when the game is sighted, first bring the hammer to full **** and then "set" the rear trigger. This does allow bringing the hammer to full **** silently because the front trigger can be pulled while the hammer is raised. Then, with the hammer held in the full **** position the front trigger is released so that the sear can engage the full **** notch.
Once that is done the gun can either be fired using the front trigger or the rear trigger can be "set" (along with the small 'click' of the front trigger engaging the set triggers catch).
Others feel that carrying a gun with the hammer at half **** and the rear set trigger being "set" is acceptable. That way they only have to **** the hammer to full **** and just a touch of the front trigger will fire the gun.
IMO this does allow a small branch or a simple brush of the shooters glove on the front trigger to release the set trigger.
This can break the nose off of the sear or the half **** notch in the tumbler and if that happens the hammer will fall on the capped nipple which may cause the gun to fire.
Many others refuse to use the set trigger in a "set" condition while hunting.
They feel the heavier pull of the unset triggers are no great problem and because of the heavy trigger pull required to discharge the gun twigs and gloved hands are very unlikely to cause a unplanned discharge.
My own personal feeling is that using the set trigger in a "set" condition is great for target shooting but it offers little benefit for the hunter unless he/she is hunting squirrels on a nice day.
At the target range I usually "set" my trigger after the gun is pointed down range and before bringing the gun to full ****.
My reason for this is this:
At one time I typically pointed my gun downrange and I would bring the hammer to a full ****. Then, I would set the rear trigger.
Not paying attention one day I brought the hammer to full **** and reached for the rear "set" trigger and gave it a good strong pull.
Unfortunately my finger wasn't on the rear trigger when I did this. It was on the front trigger. Needless to say, the gun fired. Fortunately it was pointed downrange at the time.
I decided then and there that by first setting the rear trigger and then cocking the hammer to full **** there was little likelihood of accidentally firing the gun.
When hunting, many feel it is best to carry the gun at half **** without the triggers being "set". Then, when the game is sighted, first bring the hammer to full **** and then "set" the rear trigger. This does allow bringing the hammer to full **** silently because the front trigger can be pulled while the hammer is raised. Then, with the hammer held in the full **** position the front trigger is released so that the sear can engage the full **** notch.
Once that is done the gun can either be fired using the front trigger or the rear trigger can be "set" (along with the small 'click' of the front trigger engaging the set triggers catch).
Others feel that carrying a gun with the hammer at half **** and the rear set trigger being "set" is acceptable. That way they only have to **** the hammer to full **** and just a touch of the front trigger will fire the gun.
IMO this does allow a small branch or a simple brush of the shooters glove on the front trigger to release the set trigger.
This can break the nose off of the sear or the half **** notch in the tumbler and if that happens the hammer will fall on the capped nipple which may cause the gun to fire.
Many others refuse to use the set trigger in a "set" condition while hunting.
They feel the heavier pull of the unset triggers are no great problem and because of the heavy trigger pull required to discharge the gun twigs and gloved hands are very unlikely to cause a unplanned discharge.
My own personal feeling is that using the set trigger in a "set" condition is great for target shooting but it offers little benefit for the hunter unless he/she is hunting squirrels on a nice day.
At the target range I usually "set" my trigger after the gun is pointed down range and before bringing the gun to full ****.
My reason for this is this:
At one time I typically pointed my gun downrange and I would bring the hammer to a full ****. Then, I would set the rear trigger.
Not paying attention one day I brought the hammer to full **** and reached for the rear "set" trigger and gave it a good strong pull.
Unfortunately my finger wasn't on the rear trigger when I did this. It was on the front trigger. Needless to say, the gun fired. Fortunately it was pointed downrange at the time.
I decided then and there that by first setting the rear trigger and then cocking the hammer to full **** there was little likelihood of accidentally firing the gun.
Zonie covered it well as always.
And that is so true, but there is no rule carved in stone that states you have too use the set while hunting, you can always just use the front.
But if all you have is a single trigger you don't have the option.
I have a Renegade Hunter like luey has with a single trigger and Dustin is used to his single but it's a Traditions with an adjustable sear engagement set on the light side, I like the single for shotgun.
The rest I prefer the double triggers an take pains to make'm work smooth.
And that is so true, but there is no rule carved in stone that states you have too use the set while hunting, you can always just use the front.
But if all you have is a single trigger you don't have the option.
I have a Renegade Hunter like luey has with a single trigger and Dustin is used to his single but it's a Traditions with an adjustable sear engagement set on the light side, I like the single for shotgun.
The rest I prefer the double triggers an take pains to make'm work smooth.
