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Mr. Chester

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If you do your own bluing - what do you use or do you send it out?
I have a white barrel and will need to blue the gal up when I am done. 50 cal Kentucky..
What do you recommend and where to get it if you please? :hmm:

Thanks guys! and gals if there are any that do this sort of thing,,,,
 
Personally, I'd brown the barrel, not blue it. I have found that G96 Paste blue works very well but for muzzle loaders brown is the ONLY way to go.
 
bluing or in the white is correct for 18th c. guns. Browning is fine for 19th c. guns. I get great results with Birchwood Caseys cold blue.
 
I find that Brownell's 44/40 cold bluing creme works really well and allows just a light aging or with more coats a very dark blue. A little bleach sprayed on it and allowed o sit on it for 30 minutes will give it a nice weathered look.
 
If you are going to Blue, then you will DEFINITELY want to use Birchwood Caseys SUPERBLUE. Its a little harder to find, but usually can find it at Bass Pro SHops, Gander Mountains and such. It does a better blue than just ordinary BC Blue.

YOu will have a deeper darker blue with less coatings with the super blue.
 
Being in my business I'd have to say have a gunsmith hot salt blue it. It is a much better finish and I believe you will be much happier with it.
 
If you want it period correct, go with what Swampman said. The cold blue will not wear well, but neither does the old charcoal blue. Better, but it still wears faster than modern blue, however thats the beauty of it. As the cold blue wears it gives the gun that used, but not abused look. Turns towards more of a gray-blue and just looks right.
 
Yes, the worn look is more period correct but the method they used was called "rust bluing". It may not wear as quick but is period corect.
 
You can do the rust blueing with LMF Brownig solution, just scald it well with boiling distilled water between applications, rusting periods, and cardings. Looks pretty good.

Regards, Dave
 
I think cheap cold bluing looks better than hot blue. Done corectly, the Birchwood Caseys looks right. I use it all the time. If I owned a hot blued muzzleloader, I'd strip it with Naval Jelly.
 
Acually, most of the bluing of the 18th C was charcoal bluing, and not rust bluing. At least in this country. The process involves the use of a forge. It is much the same as a heat blue, but tougher, however, not as long wearing as a good rust blue. Thye early Colt's used a very similar process, if not the same. According to my research.
 
I use nothing but charcoal bluing for rifle barrels. Take a look at this.

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Digging intot his a bit I found--->
Charcoal Bluing

From: Clyde Baker's Modern Gunsmithing.

Make a box of heavy sheet iron large enough to hold the largest part to be blued. It's not necessary to rivet or weld the box...merely fold the corners. Fill it with pulverized wood charcoal in lumps about the size of a small pea, and heat in a furnace or large forge until the charcoal is partly burning throughout, but not quite redhot. Attach an iron rod at least two feet long to the gun, and bury it in the glowing mass, allowing the rod to stick out for handling. In 5 to 10 minutes, lift out and examine it. If the color has started, take a piece of clean cotton waste or tow, dip it into dry powdered lime and rub vigorously over every part of the gun. Get it back into the glowing charcoal as quickly as possible. Repeat this treatment every 7 to 10 minutes, using plenty of lime and rubbing it into every part and work fast. You may be fooled at the first bright blue that appears. This is merely a tempering color and must be disregarded. It will not wear, and it is not the blue you're after. Continue the treatment until a deep blue-black similar to that seen on Colt revolvers has developed. Let cool in the air (do not quench) then apply any good light gun oil.

The process may be reated a second time if desired, usually deepening the color. The parts must of course be cleaned of all grease, just as for any bluing process. Many gunsmiths do this by applying a mixture of chalk and water, letting it dry on the gun, then brushing it off.

A variation of this method was once used by Smith & Wesson, except that the gun was rubbed with oily waste instead of lime. Either method requires considerable skill and experience, but the results fully justify the effort.

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LMF-Rust Blue

"here is a long post on how this guys blue a barrel it is a long post

Please do not forget the Power of the SEARCH feature above for basic questions...

I do not recommend cold blue at all. While there are commercial grade, "for gunmsiths" grade liquid cold blues, many lads use Birchwood Casey's liquid or paste "cold bluing," which temporarily imparts of very thin, uneven, and fragile "dirty black" to steel. (Which, IMHO, gave our hobby the myth that Enfields had thin and fragile finishes.)

As manufactured, original Enfields were "rust-blued," a type of "blackening." "Hot bluing," "acid tank bluing," "chemical salt blue," etc., can be done to simulate the rust-blue of the period originals, but the gunsmith needs to know one does not want a coal black, wet black ink, extremely high gloss "modern blue" look.

From a previous archived thread:

"Different gunsmiths, and different lads will all have their own personal
favorites and methods. This is just once that is affordable, easy, and
reduces many of the problems associated with the first-time user.
There is a great deal of misinformation concerning the period Enfield
factory "rust blued" barrel finish. Most of it is due to "reenacting lore"
where lads have removed the modern spurious Italian markings from their
barrels and reblued the barrel with liquid or past bluing. Both liquid and
paste bluing is a poor, thin, and easily worn off surface finish which has
given rise to the lore that original Enfield "blue" was thin and easily worn
off. The second is partly due to looking at once "Arsenal" of "field bright"
original Enfields that have taken on a brown age patina (rust brown) over
the past 150+ years, or, were factory blue where the "black" has naturally
changed to brown over the years as well.

My technique can be done for about $20, if you have to buy all the
"chemicals," depending upon prices where one lives. A bottle of browning
will do 2 or 3 barrels, so it gets cheaper if one goes in with a pard or two
and split the costs. It generally takes 4-6 "treatments" that each take less
than five (5) minutes, once every 12 hours. Depending upon the time of
year and humidity inside, I have stretched the 12 to once every 24 hours
with the same results.

Without building a "sweat box," this process entails using a liquid, "cold acid" browning solution but modifying the atomic reaction to produce a black rust-blue (so-called "blue" in America) instead of a rust-brown finish.
The finish is deep, durable, and long lasting as was the original.

1. There are many acid browning liquids on the market that will work. For
beginners, I recommend Laurel Mountain Forge's "Barrel Brown &
Degreaser." The reason why is that a good finish is highly dependent upon
degreasing the barrel. Laurel Mountain is self-degreasing, which eliminates any traces of oil or grease one may have missed!
2. The barrel needs to be stripped of its modern bluing. Birchwood Casey
makes a good rust and bluing remover. Brush it on, let it set, steel wool
and/or Scotch-Brite it off. It usually takes 5-6 times to fully strip the old
bluing. A buffing wheel with emory grit is faster, but takes more time being sure all traces of grit residue is removed as it will interfere with the process and leave spots and streaks. Warning: steel wool tends to be oily as well.
3. The barrel needs to be removed from the stock, the nipple and muzzle
plugged. I use my daughter's Play-Doh. One does not want acid to get
inside the bore.
4. Wearing latex surgical gloves, or clean work gloves, wipe the barrel
down with a soft cloth and a solution such as paint thinner, paint remover,
acetone, automotive carburetor degreaser, etc. When done, wipe it down
with rubbing alcohol .
5. Take a 48 inch section of white 2.5" PVC "plumbing" and two end caps.
Measure in about 2 inches from the end caps, and then cut a 2 inch wide
section from mark to mark with a saber saw. This makes a scalding trough.

Some lads with no tools use the PVC with only one end cap. Others can use their bathtub when their wife is out shopping. A "trough" is not required, it just makes it easer.
6. Never touch the degreased barrel with your hands (fingerprints are oil-
wear gloves or use a cloth or clean rag). Lay the barrel up on top of a
piece of wood at either end.
7. Pour a little Laurel Mountain solution into a Dixie cup, lid, or even a small
bowl (this keeps the main bottle uncontaminated.
8. Using a wool swab, or just a little folded square of lint-free cloth, apply
a light coating of solution to the barrel being sure to cover uniformly and
evenly.
9. Return in 12 hours. The barrel will have turned orange and yellow in
places. The places you missed will be silver still.
10. Repeat Step 8 and Step 9. (putting a little extra on where you missed.)
11. When you return, the barrel should be orangery "brownishish."
12. Boil a tea kettle or pot of water.
13. NEVER TOUCHING THE BARREL WITH BARE HANDS, put the barrel in the
scalding trough, or bath tub, and pour the boiling water over it to scald it.
14. When cool enough to hold with gloves or a cloth, rub a cloth briskly
over the barrel to remove build up and "rust scale."
15. Repeat Step 8, 9, 12, and 13 applying LM solution, letting it work for
12 hours, then scalding, de-scaling, and repeating Step 15.
16. The barrel should have turned black. When a deep, dark, uniform black,
you are almost done. You can go back and repeat the process for spots
that did not take.
17. Rub the barrel with baking soda to "kill" the acid.
18. "Paint" the barrel with oil (car oil works well) and let set overnight to
soak into the pores of the steel.
19. Wipe off the oil. Clean out the semi-stiff Play-Doh.
20. Wax the barrel inside and out with beeswax/tallow.
21. Enjoy your correct "rust-blue" barrel. With a little care, it will last
longer than you. (If after many years, it does not, simply REDO it...)

Again, this is one way of many, but it works well. If it doesn't, strip it and
start over... ;-)
And, if 2 or 3 pards pitch in, the "share" can drop down to about less than
$8 or $10.

I am rusty (no pun intended) on the atomic/chemical process at work. If I
remember high school chemistry well enough, the acid solution accelerates
the oxidation (rusting) of the iron in the steel by adding an electron to
the iron atom (which makes ferrous oxide, or "rust"). The scalding adds an
extra electron, making ferric oxide, or "black"). Over time, the extra
electron is lost to the environment, which changes the ferric to
ferrous, and black to brown (brown patina). At any rate, high school
chemistry teachers out there can correct that..."

Laurel Mountain Forge Barrel Brown & Degreaser is available from most
muzzleloading or blackpowder shops and mail order businesses. Around
here, it sells for about $7 a bottle."

Hope this helps! :grin:
 
The charcoal blue method described is way to labor intensive for me. I get the coals burning as hot as I can get them and bury the barrel in them leaving nothing exposed for about three hours, adding fresh charcoal as needed. During this period, I don't remove it for any reason. After I remove it, (using a wire attached to the lugs) hang it for three days to allow the scale to harden and gently heat and coat with paste wax.
 
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