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I know how to load a "patched round ball" but, loading shot?? Powder, wad,(card) shot, card.
My question is, what keeps the wad (card) from tipping sideways as it goes down the (long) barrel?
 
Nor Cal Mikie said:
My question is, what keeps the wad (card) from tipping sideways as it goes down the (long) barrel?

Hello Mike, notice that the tip of your ramrod is slightly curved, this forces the over-shot card to be concaved and keeps it aligned as it is going down the tube.

A trick you can do is to put a small dent on the edge of the over shot card with your thumbnail before ramming it, this will allow a small vent for the trapped air to escape.
 
The wads are cut oversized, a bit, or at least are cut to be a tight fit. Second, OP wads are usually 1/8' thick, while cushion wads can be 1/4 or 1/2" thick. Finally, the Over shot cards are about .025" thick. You use a wide shaped jag on your rod to load these components, and the friction between the sides of the bore, and the sides of the wads is enough to offer enough resistance to the jag that they are driven down the barrel straight. You want a bore diameter jag on the rod so you can protect those edges, as the whole purpose of the wad is to SEAL gases behind the wad. You can roll the edge of the wad in a shallow dish of oil, or rub some thicker "moose snot" on the edges of the wad, to grease the barrel loading and shooting the wads. If you use the thicker Moose snot, it does not contaminate your powder as oil will.

you also can load with only OS cards, using 2-4 cards in place of the OP wad, and two OS cards on top of the shot. One will generally do, but using two is a good habit to get into, to be sure that the shot load does not move forward, possibly turning the card, and spilling your shot out of the gun while walking in the field. Using 2 cards is often done when shooting DB shotguns, to keep the load in the second barrel from shifting forward as the result of the recoil of firing the first barrel. If you poke off-center holes in these OS Card with an awl, it lets air get through the cards so they separate, and quickly fall to the ground close to the muzzle of your gun, rather than follow the shot in the air, and bump it. Bumping is believed to be the process that creates " donut hole " patterns. This is most often seen when 1/2" cushion wads are used that are lubed. They weigh so much they follow the shot and bump the back of the shot column in the air, causing a hole to appear in the middle of the pattern. Its not uncommon to see the cushion wad fly further than a 25 yard patterning board, putting a big hole through the paper.
 
I have been using some 1/8OP cards that got tight after a few shots so I wet the edges with spit and bit the edges to groove them slightly to allow the air to escape.
Also I carry a small round tin with some lube in like Hodgens spit patch and every now and then I will put an OS card just in the muzzle (first to go on top of the powder), thumb some paste in and then the rest of the cards/wads and ram home.

Britsmoothy.
 
Nor Cal Mikie said:
I know how to load a "patched round ball" but, loading shot?? Powder, wad,(card) shot, card.
My question is, what keeps the wad (card) from tipping sideways as it goes down the (long) barrel?

Mike, for smoothbore loads, you want to use a jag that is intentionally flat-faced for use with smoothbore wads and cards...in particular, OS cards are meant to be very tight, a 'wedge' fit out against the bore walls.

A round ball jag will curve the edges down under the pressures of seating, effectively resulting in the diameter of the OS card becoming shorter and not being able to wedge out tight against the bore walls like it should and would if it remained flat.

The shot charge could begin to move off the powder charge, and/or be lost out the muzzle altogether if its not wedged tight enough against the bore walls.
 
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I flared the end of the rammer to keep the cards/wadding from tipping, it is benificial to nick the edge or poke a little hole in the cards to let the air out.




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lease don't cut an edge. It defeats the entire point of using an OP wad to seal in the gases behind the load of shot. an Off center hole in the thin wads, or cards, and using two of them set so that one covers the hole in the next one, will let air separate the wads when they exit the muzzle, so they can fall down quickly out of the line of fire. The holes will allow that all important edge, to continue to seal gases behind the wad.

I know that split rings are used in Combustion engines, but their are usually at least 3 rings per cylinder, and they are set so they don't all align together.
 
I've tried most everything, except no wad and no card, and anything seems to work fine and dandy.

If the clay trap is set for rising teal most leave the card out. It's supposed to get in the way or something, but I think that's just superstition from those who forget to aim underneath the bird :grin:

I just buy the right sized card for the bore of the gun. Maybe once or twice a year the card goes down with no resistance and I have to put another on top :thumbsup:
 
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