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I found these freshwater clam shells in a local junk store. The larger ones are six inches long and there appear to be three different species, some quite thick:
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Has anyone ever found uses for such things? I was thinking powder flask. Remember Patton's reply to the reporter who asked about his pearl-handled Colt? "Son, only a pimp in a Louisiana whorehouse carries pearl-handled revolvers. These are ivory."
Jeez I hope the same doesn't apply to "pearl-halved" powder flasks.😬
 
IDK how pearl-handled pistol grip panels were made, but I've tried unsuccessfully, to cut/grind them to make wood inlays with the inside of the shell(s) showing.

IME, they're very hard & brittle to work with - but might be done with better tools than the common household tools & grinder I have.

However, a powder flask might be able to be fashioned from a very large top/bottom of a clam shell, with the halves joined with epoxy after working one end of the hinge to accept a small brass spout.


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Many years ago I made a woman's silver bracelet using inlaid pieces of shell in a mosaic pattern. The exterior of the shell does not have a very appealing appearance so I am doubtful that an attractive flask can be made. I have seen photos of Arabian flintlocks with shell inlay.
 
They make nice priming flasks glue the 2 halves of a bigger one together when the glue is dry carefully bore a hole in one end then either use a brass priming valve such as shown in Pietros post or better yet carve a piece of deer tine with a hole bored through it for a spout, the other thing that could be done is use a small brass hinge such as found at a craft store hinge the 2 halves together use as a patch lube holder you would have to figure out a way to keep it closed, perhaps a small stud made from deer horn attached to one side with a leather strap on the other side that would attach to the stud.
 
Thanks all very much for the discussion and ideas.:) They are a stinker to work with and I've read accounts of severe respiratory problems from inhaling grinding dust when gun grips and other items were fashioned in the good ol' days. Beware! On the other hand, button cutting was done with small core drills by workmen using water and sand as the cutting agent. I'm having some success shaping with wet grinding by hand on the side(s) of a discarded silicon carbide grinding wheel. The shells would seem to have little merit as powder flask material but...
 
Thanks all very much for the discussion and ideas.:) They are a stinker to work with and I've read accounts of severe respiratory problems from inhaling grinding dust when gun grips and other items were fashioned in the good ol' days. Beware! On the other hand, button cutting was done with small core drills by workmen using water and sand as the cutting agent. I'm having some success shaping with wet grinding by hand on the side(s) of a discarded silicon carbide grinding wheel. The shells would seem to have little merit as powder flask material but...
With your Covid 19 Mask on you should be all set for dust!
 
Technically fresh water "clams" were/are actually mussels, but everyone in the "Pearl Button Industry" on the Mississippi River called them clams.

Everyone on both sides of my family in my Grandparents' generation either worked directly for the Pearl Button Industry or made "side money" sorting button blanks and buttons at home. My paternal Grandpa spent 40 years as a machinist in the trade. Both my Grandmothers grew up on "Clam Boats" or actually small barges, as girls. During the spring/summer, the boats traveled up the Mississippi River as far as possible "fishing" for clams and they came back downriver in the fall. The kids normally only went to school in a school house during the Fall/Winter. My Maternal Grandmother began work at age 12, as the cook on her Uncle's Clam Barge. Her Uncle passed the word that she would be treated decently or he would throw anyone overboard, who did not. Funny thing, many or even most of the Clam Fishermen could not swim, so that was a real threat. At a full 4'9" in height when full grown, she learned to stand up for herself and could put tough guys over 6 feet tall in their place.

In the 1950's, they switched over to carbide round hole saws, but before that they used high carbon steel saws in large variety of sizes to make everything from small shirt buttons, shoe buttons, and dress and coat buttons.. A large part of my Grandpa's job was sharpening the saws as needed during the week when they still used high carbon saws and fixing/repairing machines. On Saturdays when they weren't running the machines, he would repair and adjust all the machines requiring the work. Women normally ran the machines, even in the earliest days of the trade in the late 19th and early 20th century.

The fresh water Pearl Button Industry was so lucrative, in the early 20th century, our small town had the highest number of Millionaires per capita of any town/city in the country. The downfall of the Pearl Button Industry was in the 1930's when they began making hard rubber and plastic buttons. It had almost died out, when it came back for a while during and shortly after WWII, due to the shortage of oil for "nonessential war materials." Some of the factories switched over to plastic buttons, but most went under in the 1950's when I was a boy.

Historically speaking, the Fresh Water Mississippi River "Clam" buttons were not made until two to three decades AFTER the UnCivil War. So mostly they are beyond the scope of this forum. Buttons made from Ocean/Salt Water Clams and Mussels go back at least three centuries, though they were so expensive only the rich could afford them.

Native Americans used appropriately sized shells for ladles and bowls in the period of this forum, as did some of the earliest European settlers. They also used them for scraping hides in the tanning process. Some discs were made from the shells as necklace decorations during the 19th century.

Personally, I would NOT use these shells for a powder flask as they would make a very effective fragmentation grenade, should the powder in them go off. That's part of the reason the metal in copper flasks was so thin, BTW.

Gus
 
Personally, I would NOT use these shells for a powder flask as they would make a very effective fragmentation grenade, should the powder in them go off.
What an excellent point and thank you for the account of your family's work in the industry. "Clamming" was done in the lakes in my area; a cousin recalled that the meat from the mussels was considered waste and domestic pigs were given free run of the sandbar where the innards were discarded.
Here's a flask (unintentional bomb) of buffalo bone, antler, and copper I completed. Thick, heavy bone with thick copper ends very securely glued and pinned. I concentrated on the aesthetics without a thought toward safety. It will happily be dismantled and the copper reused:
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What an excellent point and thank you for the account of your family's work in the industry. "Clamming" was done in the lakes in my area; a cousin recalled that the meat from the mussels was considered waste and domestic pigs were given free run of the sandbar where the innards were discarded.

Funny how you mentioned the clam meat was considered waste. I didn't know that until I was a teenager when a bunch of us kids took boats on the Mississippi and went swimming near a sandbar on the opposite side of the river. We could feel the clams in the sand underwater with our feet and gathered up a pretty good haul of 6" to 9" fat ones, I thought might be good for eating. We commonly took catfish out the Mississippi in those days and they were a real treat. When I got home, Dad asked me what I intended to do with them. When I told him I thought we might fry them, he laughed and said the meat was terrible and fit only for feeding hogs. Then he had me go dig hole in the woods behind our house to bury them before they began to stink.

That same Paternal Grandfather probably had at least something to do with me getting interested in black powder. Dad took us to see his folks frequently as we grew up and Grandpa's hugely long garage and workshop was a great place to explore. One day when I was around 11, I spotted what looked like a small cannon and asked Grandpa about it. He chuckled and said, "I wondered where that had gotten to.." As a young man, he had taken the barrel off a single shot percussion pistol and turned it into a cannon. I didn't realize it for years later, but the wheels he used were from scrapped metal working machines, larger ones on each side and a small one in the rear, so the cannon would roll under recoil. The barrel was held onto a bent piece of flat stock with good size round steel bands. When I asked him if it worked, he got a humorously ornery look in his eye and said, "Sure, do you want to see it fired?" Of course I agreed with enthusiasm.

This was in the mid 1960'a mind you and he pulled out a severely rusted one pound can of Curtis and Harvey black powder, probably left over from the 1930's. He used an old teaspoon to get the powder into the muzzle and I swear he filled half the 8 inch barrel with it. He packed it in with old newspapers right up to the muzzle. Then he found some surprisingly new looking cannon fuse and cut a length about 6 inches long and stuck in in the threaded hole in the breech where a nipple was supposed to go, all the while grinning from ear to ear like the Cheshire Cat. It happened to have been a Saturday and the park across the gravel road from his work shop was full of kids playing. He put the cannon outside the work shop door and didn't point it at the kids, but in the direction of the park. He lit the fuse, jumped back inside the shop next to where I was standing and slammed the door closed. We waited for what seemed like ages and then that cannon ROARED much louder than any firecracker or 12 Ga shotgun I ever heard, even from inside the closed shop. When he opened the door and we peeked out, stunned kids all over the park were staring in our direction and he began laughing. The cannon had flipped over and landed about 6 feet to the rear of where he had set it off.

It didn't take but a short while when we heard Grandma's voice from the house 40 yards away. She yelled his full first, middle and last name loud enough we both jumped and told us to come in the house right away. He smiled sheepishly and said, "Your Grandma is going to be mad for days, but it's worth it." When we got inside the house, she chewed him out royally for doing it (again) after she had told him long ago not to do it again. Then she lit into me saying I had better not follow the example of my Grandpa in such foolishness ever again. When she finished and we escaped back to the work shop, he was laughing so hard tears came to his eyes.

A few years later when I bought my first ML Rifle in January 1972 while home on boot camp leave, he helped me make a powder horn and cast balls for it all in one day. In later years when I came home on leave, I always made a point of visiting him a few times each time I came home. He was always so tickled to show me the projects he worked on and was tickled pink to see things I was working on and hear about my work as a NM Military Armorer. I was the only of his five Grandsons who worked with his hands in any wood or metal trade and that meant a lot to him.

Thank you and Treestalker for the kind words and fond remembrances as well.

Gus
 
We tried cooking some of the fresh water clams years ago. They tasted like mud. I've been told you can put them in a tub or bucket and run fresh water over them to clean them out to make them edible. Sounds like a lot of water to waste for a questionable meal.
 
no matter what the container is that has BP. in it would be a grenade if it exploded!! DUH !
 
no matter what the container is that has BP. in it would be a grenade if it exploded!! DUH !

In plain English.....

Explosive force with black powder has everything to do with how much resistance there is to the black powder burning. For example, you get a "whoosh" but no "bang" when a match is touched to a small pile of black powder on the ground. That same small pile of black powder encased in layers of paper, makes a firework that goes "bang," because there is more resistance to the powder burning, but does not have very much explosive force compared to harder containers. Hand grenades have been traditionally made from Iron or mild steel because they cause the most resistance to the powder burning and therefore cause the most explosive force plus fragmentation damage.

Original powder horns w/pegged/nailed in wood ends had the least resistance to the explosive force when/if the powder goes off. Since the horn was/is much softer than shell is, it will not cause the same explosive force and especially the additional fragmentation damage of hard clam shells.

Don't get me wrong, even a traditional powder container made from cow horn would cause serious injury should it go off next to your body, but most of the injury would be from burns rather than explosive force. The Clam Shells being a much tougher container than cow horn, will cause more explosive force AND will cause missiles from the hard shattered shells that will go deeper into the body.

Gus
 
I haven't held one in my hand, but someone with the initials CVA is turning out "durable, solid brass construction" flasks up to 2000 grain capacity. Images of the flasks being offered look much like the really neat pipe bombs with threaded end caps myself and the neighbor kids experimented with.😬
 
I’m thinking wampum was made from a snail shell a little conch lookin guy. And only the inner roll of the shell at that. All mollusks for sure, but a might different.
Actually the wampum beads were, and still are, made from quahog shell. Hard to appreciate the work involved to fashion uniform beads by hand.
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