Flintlock musket - ID help

[steved]

Came across this musket in an estate sale today. I'm not well schooled in foreign muskets, which this one appears to be. I didn't take enough photos. Hopefully someone can ID it by what is shown. The only visible marks are two proofs on top of the barrel at the breech and some letters on the lockplate. Could have walked out with it for $700. Any thoughts?

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

If extremely light for the bore size (58 or 62?) to me it looks to be a Committee of Safety Musket, also from the English-design tulip ramrod pipes, but no where as heavy in size as Brown Bess’s were.

‘Weasel’ will know, as he has a few, I’ll see if he can chime in on this one.

 

[steved]

If extremely light for the bore size (58 or 62?) to me it looks to be a Committee of Safety Musket, also from the English-design tulip ramrod pipes, but no where as heavy in size as Brown Bess’s were.

‘Weasel’ will know, as he has a few, I’ll see if he can chime in on this one.

The bore looked to be .75 or so. It was definitely bigger than .62. I don't recall seeing a "bridge" of metal between the frizzen and frizzen spring screws before.

 

[Clark Badgett]

The lock looks French as does the side plate.

 

[PathfinderNC]

Model 1717 French musket?

 

[Clark Badgett]

Model 1717 French musket?

Possibly some 1717 parts, but the rod pipes are certainly not French. Neither is the TG.

 

[PathfinderNC]

I just love how it was put together from various parts of muskets from different countries. It looks like the musket was very carefully laid out and not just cobbled together.

 

[dave_person]

Hi,
I believe it is a India pattern British musket from the late 18th or early 19th centuries on which someone replaced the lock with one from a French model 1717 musket. They also replaced the flat French flint cock with one from a British musket. If you look closely at the lock, you will see the rear lock bolt hole was plugged and redrilled to fit the British side plate hole spacing. The stock shape indicates a likely date of manufacture after 1800. I suppose it could be made for a NE militiaman in the 1800s but the archaic lock suggests to me that the original lock was missing and some owner or collector replaced it with an old French lock he found. Also, it is hard to tell from the dark photos if the barrel was drilled out for a percussion drum. I really cannot tell. If so, the French lock was likely added when the gun was returned to flin ignition.

dave

 

[FlinterNick]

Came across this musket in an estate sale today. I'm not well schooled in foreign muskets, which this one appears to be. I didn't take enough photos. Hopefully someone can ID it by what is shown. The only visible marks are two proofs on top of the barrel at the breech and some letters on the lockplate. Could have walked out with it for $700. Any thoughts?

Looks Like it was a third mode brown bess stock with some second model parts, trigger guard and possibly the upper rammer pipe,

The lock was replaced with a french 1717 lock at some point.

That original 1717 lock restored is worth around 1,000 bucks alone.

The squared off frizzen spring elbow and slight banana curve indicates that this is an earlier M1717 lock that you often will find on Marine and Grenadier Muskets of that era a common arm used by the french in the french and indian wars, these locks are often found on North American parts guns because they were captured along with stores from Louisborg and Frontenac.

M1717 locks with a straighter plate were seen mostly on infantry arms.

Not a committee of safety musket, from the revolutionary war, although the lock may be have been used in both the French and Indian war and revolutionary war. It’s possible this was used in the War of 1812 or traded to Indian Tribes. Anything is possible however with these parts guns often can’t be proven unless there’s some type of regimental markings.