For anyone considering an Indian manufactured Flintlock

[Surfinator58]

That’s what I was hoping when I bought it…but no, completely India made…

There’s a YouTube Channel, Capandball. He did a video on India made firearms…very informative. He has footage of various collections and how they are made…in that video is the gun that I bought…it’s not mentioned specifically, he’s standing next to it as he talks about a different gun.

Cannot find that video…but I’ll keep looking…

Is that the one where he is at a trade show and he says that they are not meant for live fire?

 

[Surfinator58]

Hi Surfinator58,
When you bought that gun, what were your objectives? Did you buy it because you wanted an affordable gun for plinking and shooting? Did you get it for living history events and reenactments? And then, what were your expectations of the gun for meeting those objectives?

dave

I just wanted something that I could afford and get into French and Indian War reenacting on a budget most of my kit is handmade and researched from first hand material and the musket has been extensively worked on to ensure safe live fire thus its ability to hunt with also I feel these guns are more closely aligned to Originals then the Italian CNC computer carved models on the market today

 

[Rock Home Isle]

Is that the one where he is at a trade show and he says that they are not meant for live fire?

Wow, I do not recall ever seeing that in the video, once I find it…I’ll post the link.

 

[Surfinator58]

Yes I remember it quite well he was at a booth at the iwa show in nurnberg and he went through the catalog and some of the guns on display saying that they weren't to be used for live fire! That was when he was working for pedersoli I believe they had him on a anti-india gun campaign in order to boost sales

 

[Surfinator58]

Found it !!! It was on his web site under archives...man that was tricky went thru youtube videos and it had been pulled down probably due to inaccuracy

 

[Rock Home Isle]

@Surfinator58 Wow, you have an amazing memory…I spent an hour this morning and could not find the video on YouTube.

Good job…

 

[Surfinator58]

If you follow the adress on the archive it will go to a playlist its #89 are india guns safe to shoot

 

[Surfinator58]

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[Flint62Smoothie]

... I can't believe we are 9 pages in already ...

For those that want them - just go buy one and git shootin' already!

 

[Surfinator58]

... I can't believe we are 9 pages in already ...

For those that want them - just go buy one and git shootin' already!

We've tried that but every time we post our experiences the Kibler crowd tells us we shouldn't be shooting them and why we need to spend at least $2,000 on a custom rifle in order to get started in the sport

 

[user 49399]

I hope that I can continue shooting my Fusil until either it or me can no longer shoot. It will probably outlast me!

 

[user 49399]

Here’s a short video that I’ve posted before of my Fusil de Chasse.

 

[wganz]

... I can't believe we are 9 pages in already ...

For those that want them - just go buy one and git shootin' already!

What is slowing me down is getting my N-SSA set up first. None of them are cheap. Unfortunately, N-SSA doesn't accept any of the Indian replicas of flint-to-percussion conversions for smoothbore matches or I'd go that route....

And it is the Baker Rifle that I want anyway due to its association with Texas history and it isn't N-SSA.
So, there I am.

 

[granth]

... I can't believe we are 9 pages in already ...

For those that want them - just go buy one and git shootin' already!

I was going to pull the trigger on a Loyalist Arms Early European style matchlock, but they were all outta stock!

 

[smoothshooter]

Yes, this is my GOTO statement of fact (not argument) about the Indian-made decorations.

Yes, as I have said elsewhere, I completely understand and accept why they are not manufacturing them to be firearms. There is no refusal to accept. I completely accept why they are doing what they are doing.

Nor is this a "straw man". It is a simple fact that the Indian manufacturers are not manufacturing a functional firearm.

Everyone seems to ignore what I'm saying and talk about intent and reasons why and quality etc. etc. etc. All beside the point.

What I offer to this thread, and others where I bring this up, is understanding for people who may not know that they may be buying a item that was not manufactured to be a firearm. It means something to me when someone won't stand behind what they manufacture. I suspect this matters to others also.

If it doesn't matter to you - great! Make an informed choice and enjoy!

Define “ not manufacturing to be a firearm “?

If a reputable American custom BP gunmaker builds a nice $2,500 rifle, but does not drill the vent hole so that it can be shipped to a jurisdiction that would penalize the shipper and prospective recipient for attempting an illegal firearms transfer without a firearms importer’s license, does that make said $2,500 rifle not manufactured to be a firearm?
I am not defending or condemning the quality of Indian-made guns. Overall, the metallurgy and fitment of parts is probably as good or better than most of the guns in use in the 1700 - 1850 period around the world.

 

[tenngun]

That's the one! I looked up sitting Fox and many of their Flint lock guns are in the 1800 to $3,000 range

This is worth note
Precarved stock blanks are a couple of hundred, barrel, and lock about the same.
Go poor boy sans butt plate, side plate,toe, nose cap and entry pipe your looking a seven to eight hundred,finish the gun another hundred or so.
A hundred hours or more to put it together. There is your cheap.
Going from parts to assembled at eighteen hundred means builder got a thousand dollars.if he could do it in fifty hours that’s pretty cheap labor.
More fancy more cost, three grand isn’t high for the work.
Then along come Bob with his curry popper.
Labor is cheap in India, and often the whole family is involved.
How’s it going to compare to a three grand gun?
How fair is it to try to compare them.
You get what you pay for.
Micky Ds hamburger isn’t as good as Toms Bar and grill, certainly not as good as a good chop house, and sure not Filet Mignon.
Take it for what it is. And let’s say you invested five grand in a rifle. I’ve seen a lot of high dollar guns that missed the historically accurate mark

 

[tenngun]

We've tried that but every time we post our experiences the Kibler crowd tells us we shouldn't be shooting them and why we need to spend at least $2,000 on a custom rifle in order to get started in the sport

There is always elitism. If you ain’t drinking Agave Blue you ain’t S***.
Don’t give Mrs Grundy or Karen in drag a second thought
We’re all here to have fun.

 

[tenngun]

And it should be remembered, Kibler puts out a fine kit, but follow all his instructions to the t and it’s still NOT an historically correct gun

 

[John Spartan]

In my ten years of Rev War enacting around the Bi-Cen, I say numerous caked, neglected, rusted, muskets. Re-enactors, many of them, like the "costumes" and the newspaper exposure, but have no interest in truly behaving like actual soldiers.

I find this kind of amazing and wouldn’t have guessed. I shoot with a cartridge box and bayonet strap but am not a re-enactor. Like to shoot with period appropriate equipment but I’ll keep my own clothes.
Seems like if you argue thread count on a waist coat you would take care of the soldiers most important piece of gear - and reason for existence. Weird.