Froze up gun

[jdw276]

may not be the correct forum, gun builders?, but just got a belgian double barrel. Been sitting a while. Nipples are really in there and have broken a nipple wrench trying to get them out. What do I use to loosen them up? WD, Liquid Wrench, BP Solvent, penetrating oil, tran fluid? let sit overnight?

All have been used to loosen up rusted up bolts in past lives. Recommendation to loosen? Gunsmith?

thanks in advance.
john

 

[paulvallandigham]

Try the Liquid Wrench, or similar products. If they don't work, try heating the nipple up with a hot acetylene flame, or at least a butane flame.
If not, there is a product called " Evporust" on the market that is highly rated. It chemically dissolves the rust or returns it to a metal by removing the oxygen from the molecule.

In the past, Gunsmiths I know have simply soaked barrels in a tub of kerosene for several days. Most of the penetrating oils( Liquid Wrench, Break Free, Kroil, etc.) are using Kerosene as their base product.

 

[bdhutier]

I'd say your favorite Pen.Oil, and let it sit a few days to a week. Never had frozen nipples take less than four days to loosen up doing that.

 

[wattlebuster]

I got a friends loose with kroil. Just follow directions

 

[jethro224]

Yep. Whatever penetrating oil is your favorite. Let it soak for a few days.
AND rap it smartly with a small hammer every once in a while. The vibrations from hitting it help the penetrating oil to soak in and to break the rust weld. If you need to re-use the nipples put a stout tube over the nipple so it rests on the shoulder and you won't booger up the end. A 1/4 drive socket works well.

Before you attempt to heat it with anything make darn sure it is not loaded!
Really you should check that before doing anything at all.

 

[ohio ramrod]

In over fifty years of farming and over fourty years working on guns I have found nothing better than Kroil for loosening rusted parts!In fact I have two guns soaking in it right now! :bow: :bow:

 

[C Barker]

If not, there is a product called " Evporust" on the market that is highly rated. It chemically dissolves the rust or returns it to a metal by removing the oxygen from the molecule

Huh? How does it to that? If it does what you say why not use it on rusty bbls? :hmm: :idunno:

 

[William O.]

If not, there is a product called " Evporust" on the market that is highly rated. It chemically dissolves the rust or returns it to a metal by removing the oxygen from the molecule

Huh? How does it to that? If it does what you say why not use it on rusty bbls? :hmm: :idunno:

Links to some info on Evaporust; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQZCJDBe14

A water-based, non-toxic liquid that removes rust from ferrous metals without harming surrounding materials, people or the environment. Cleaning of rust occurs by selective chelation, a natural chemical process which removes iron molecules selectively from iron oxide. EVAPO-RUSTTM also PREVENTS RUST when clean steel or alloy is dipped, then allowed to dry. EVAPO-RUST has won two coveted awards in 2001: named as one of the "Top 100 Inventions" by Research and Development magazine, as well as one of three awards for "Outstanding New Technology in Industrial Cleaning" by Cleaning Technology magazine.

http://legvi.tripod.com/armamentarium/id333.html

 

[jaguarxk120]

The evaporust will remove any rusted(oxidized)material. This includes the brown finish on the outside of the barrel. If you soak any part in the evaporust all the rust will be removed and the steel will be in the white condition.

 

[Stumpkiller]

I use a product called "PB Blaster" to free up rusted bolts on my 1956 Ford tractor and outdoor equipment. Works very well.

 

[TommyKid]

Kroil for several days, then heat. I just removed a set from a Belgian SxS and one from a Swiss percussion target rifle that were good and stuck. A pair of vise grips with the teeth ground down is a good tool for this job, too.
Tom

 

If not, there is a product called " Evporust" on the market that is highly rated. It chemically dissolves the rust or returns it to a metal by removing the oxygen from the molecule

Huh? How does it to that? If it does what you say why not use it on rusty bbls? :hmm: :idunno:

I have used it on a rusty barrel, and other parts of a rifle. It does indeed remove the rust very well, as well as any remaining bluing or other finish. Leaves the metal in the "white", actually a light grey. The metal has to soak for some minutes or even hours, depending on how rusty it is.

For the right application, it is marvelous stuff. :thumbsup:

 

[barnettshale]

jd, a method I have used to remove stuck nipples from a revolver cylinder is to boil it in soapy water (Dawn works well) for about 30 minutes. I use a large pot on a gas turkey fryer. I couldn't budge them and in fact ruined a nipple wrench. After boiling, still hot, put it in a padded vise and the nipples came right out. You can also spray penetrating oil on the nipple base while it is still hot and that may help also. Instead of a torch as some have suggested, or boiling, you might try one of those heat guns used to strip paint.

 

[Richard Brinkman]

The best penetrating oil that I have used lately is automatic transmission fluid mixed with acetone 50/50. They will not stay blended but tend to seperate so shake up real well and apply I don't mix up a whole lot just small quanities and store in a air tight jar. Read about this on the E-net somewhere suppose to penetrate twice as good as Kroil, try it it does work very well.

Richard

 

[dcriner]

If the recommended solvents don't work, insert a screw extractor (a.k.a. easyout) into the nipple. Turn the extractor (counter clockwise) with a pair of vise-grips. Use a screw extrator with o.d. a little larger than the i.d. of the hole in the nipple, and smaller than the minor diameter of the nipple's threads. You'll first need to run a drill bit through the nipple of about the same diameter as the hole in the nipple - so the extractor's tip doesn' bottom out on the small hole at the bottom of the nipple.

The stuck nipple will turn right out and there will be no damage to the gun. I've used this approach three times now.

Ace Hardware sells individual screw extractors - take the gun in and get one of the correct size. No sense buying a whole set.

A problem with nipple wrenches is that you can't get enough torque without them slipping off the nipple lands. With the screw extractor and a vise-wrench, you can get torque galore.

 

[Danbo]

Kroil and a week's soak helped me to remove the breech plug from a 130 year old cap lock a year or so back. Back in service today and shooting well.

Other victories, no failures, good stuff. Probably the other recommendations will work too, but I've got a gallon and intend to use before I die. :grin:

 

[tom deinek]

"Ace Hardware . . . take the gun in and get one of the correct size."

You're kidding, right?

 

[dcriner]

No, not at all. Depends on where you live, I guess. Where do you live?

 

[paulvallandigham]

Take the barrel out of the stock. Any anti-gunner won't even know what it is that you are carrying. If you live in some city like Chicago, you probably will have trouble FINDING a hardware store there. Go to a suburb, where no one gets a knot in their undies over someone carrying in a piece of metal pipe that happens to fire projectiles when its working properly. :rotf: :v :bow: :grin:

 

[tom deinek]

No, not at all. Depends on where you live, I guess. Where do you live?

I'd be lucky to get arrested for Robbery Armed instead of being shot by the shopkeeps.

I thought you couldn't even subscribe to Muzzlelader or Shooting Times, let alone own guns in IL.