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BobKrohn

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First, I have no connection to company below.

Little John's Auction has their latest full color auction catalogs available for FREE download (PDF)
Each of the four has approx 100 pages of nice rare old guns to slobber over. It also would be nice reference material.
http://www.littlejohnsauctionservice.com/auctions.html

Of interest to those on this forum is a rifle in Session II pg 190-191

A rare Fullstock Caplock Hawken Rifle.

They don't mention anything about the most important stuff like bore condition or how good it shoots.
So you'll just have to take a chance if you plan on taking this baby to your next rendezvous. :wink:

I live close by so plan to go just to gawk.
If they allow picture taking, I'll try to get some close-ups.

Crack open your piggybank.


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LOT 558

Original full stock Hawken plains rifle,marked S.
Hawken, St. Louis, on barrel and attributed ownership to
Tom Cover, famous Montana pioneer who accompanied John Bozeman
in 1867 when he was purportedly killed by Indians east of
Livingston. The Hawken measures approximately 52” overall
with nearly 35” heavy octagon barrel of approximately .58
cal. rifle, which measures almost exactly 1” across the
barrel flat. The rifle is in good, untouched original
condition showing an old “of the period” copper repaired
wrist securing the wrist with copper plate and screws.
The metal surfaces show a brown patina finish with scattered
to moderate erosion and surface pitting. The stock is good
other than the repair showing many compression cracks, small
losses opening around screw holes, a small repair to the
wood at the toe and some other small areas of damage and
slight restoration during its period of use. The history of
this Hawken rifle is extremely interesting. A note was
discovered under the buttplate documenting the fact and
attribution of this Hawken rifle as the one owned by Tom
Cover, an interesting, historically important individual
involved in gold mining, vigilante activities and mining in
the area of Montana and later in California where he was a
pioneer orange grower near Riverside. Several letters are
included with this Hawken rifle from known Denver area experts
knowledgeable about the note. Among them: a letter from
Warren Sellke who documents when the buttplate was removed;
a letter from William Reisner, an expert on Kentucky rifles
who was well acquainted with this particular Hawken rifle;
and a letter from Sonny Carlson, a well respected dealer and
collector, who handled the sale of this rifle to Severen
Pedersen and recounts his knowledge and attribution of
ownership. A historically important Hawken rifle, which is
very rare in the fact that it’s a full stock by S. Hawken
and in a large caliber.
Est.: $35,000-75,000.
 
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Well, I wouldn't. But then I probably wouldn't put the metal plate on the wrist anyway. I think it would be a great rifle if built to new appearance and allowed to age from years of use. Nothing wrong with putting the re-inforcement on if that's the look you want. :thumbsup:
 
that is very nice. wish I had an extra 50-60k laying around that I could blow on that rifle. Oh well.
 
Maybe this rifle was a murder weapon!?

Found this article regarding the stated owner, one Tom Cover.
A little more detail about the demise of Bozeman
(maybe Tom's version was just a "cover" story ?)
http://www.printnpost.net/articles/1837/1/Take-a-step-back-in-time/Page1.html

"John Bozeman was murdered while traveling along the Yellowstone River on April 18, 1867.
His partner, Tom Cover, reported they had been attacked by a band of Blackfoot Indians.
Inconsistencies in his story have led historians to suspect that Bozeman
was murdered by Cover himself, perhaps because he was jealous of his wife’s attention to Bozeman.
Bozeman’s murder still remains a mystery."
 
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Bob Krohn said:
Maybe this rifle was a murder weapon!?

Found this article regarding the stated owner, one Tom Cover.
A little more detail about the demise of Bozeman
(maybe Tom's version was just a "cover" story ?)
http://www.printnpost.net/articles/1837/1/Take-a-step-back-in-time/Page1.html

"John Bozeman was murdered while traveling along the Yellowstone River on April 18, 1867.
His partner, Tom Cover, reported they had been attacked by a band of Blackfoot Indians.
Inconsistencies in his story have led historians to suspect that Bozeman
was murdered by Cover himself, perhaps because he was jealous of his wife’s attention to Bozeman.
Bozeman’s murder still remains a mystery."

Nice old rifle.
I got the following summary of John Bozeman's killing from Pete Story about 30 years ago its having been passed down through his family.

John Bozeman was officially killed by Indians. But all the pony tracks around the body were all shod. Pete thought it was a white man.
Apparently another man's wife had mistaken him for her husband and this man was thought to be the perp. But no name was given by Pete so it could easily have been Cover if his wife was friendly with Bozeman.
When the body was moved from the original grave a 69 caliber RB was found.
This is this version, as much as I got anyway that Pete knew.

The Storys were contemporaries of Bozeman.
He was killed about 20 miles west of here in the Yellowstone Valley.
Pete did not mention a companion but traveling alone would have been a really bad idea in 1867. The place he was buried would have been a reasonable place for an ambush.

It would be really interesting to find some contemporary report of this. I would like to know if Cover was even using the Hawken by this date. But... There was a pretty good war on out here in the late 60s and the Blackfeet were not the only problem. And anyone getting out on the east side of the Bozeman Pass in 1867 would want more firepower. By 1874 Bozeman was largely cut off from the east.

Dan
 
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"A note was discovered under the buttplate documenting the fact and attribution of this Hawken rifle as the one owned by Tom Cover"

That must be a heck of a note. Notes don't often get believed when it comes to antiques unless there is a good chain of ownership that can be followed. I'd guess they will have that on display for the serious bidders. It would be neat to see how they know who's it was.

I don't doubt the experts that it is what it is, an awesome original fulstock Hawken. I have no idea what just 'any' Hawken would go for but I'd bet that predicted range would the same if no note was found.
Makes me want to put a fullstock on my GPR.

Tim
 
Thats it I'm putting notes under the buttplates of all my guns and while I'm at it I might do a little creative writing. Just kidding, I think my name, who built the rifle and when might be a neat thing for some person to find long after I'm gone. Might even update it from time to time with game I took, shoots won with it, etc.

I still remember all those Hawkens at the Buff Bill Museum in Cody. :hatsoff:
 
I just found a note under the butt plate of my 20 bore fowler. It reads "Kilroy was here 1757". It's been authenticated too. I showed it to the kid across the street and he said it looked real to him! That's provenance enough for me by Jiminy! I figure if I ever sell the gun it'll bring an extra $25.00 or so. :rotf:
 
Russ T Frizzen said:
I just found a note under the butt plate of my 20 bore fowler. It reads "Kilroy was here 1757". It's been authenticated too. I showed it to the kid across the street and he said it looked real to him! That's provenance enough for me by Jiminy! I figure if I ever sell the gun it'll bring an extra $25.00 or so. :rotf:

Shame they did not include a photo of Kilroy holding a 1757 newspaper headline.
:grin:
Honestly though the Hawken could be the real deal. We have no idea what the note says, when the note was found or where the rifle came from. So???
Its worth a pile of change in any case.

Dan
 
Yup. I think I'll have to start planning on a full stock Hawken for when the economy improves a bit. Maybe do some research and see if I can find out what an early St. Louis full stock looked like. Or just buy one of Don Stith's parts sets and git 'er done!
 
Yup. I think I'll have to start planning on a full stock Hawken for when the economy improves a bit. Maybe do some research and see if I can find out what an early St. Louis full stock looked like. Or just buy one of Don Stith's parts sets and git 'er done!
 
Russ T, I patterned my fullstock percussion after an original in the museum at the College of the Ozarks in S Missouri.
TC
 

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