Got another 1858 Rem...

[NRAJOE]

Today at the gunshow at my club bought another steel frame .44 1858 Rem....this one is marked NAVY ARMS on top of barrel and UBERTI on bottom of barrel.

Very old guy sold it to me unfired/unturned for $125 out the door...said he'd had it forever.
It had sat so long that the packing grease caked up like cosmoline...couldn't get the loading lever down...after alot of cleaning/soaking finally got the loading lever down and got the cylinder pin out (had to use a rubber mallet and breakfree)

I believe UBERTI put dates on their pistols...found "67" on the underside of barrel and "67" on the face of the cylinder!
If so, that gun sat 42 yrs in the same grease!

The cylinder is out now with the nipples soaking on the cylinder with WD-40...could only get one of them to break loose.

Pics along side my PIETTA Rem later....been having computer problems since Thursday (crash) be back when I can!

 

[Mulebrain]

Well made gun, and a great price to boot! :thumbsup:

 

[mykeal]

Uberti did indeed put a manufacturing date (it's actually a proof test date) on their guns like most, of not all, the Italian replica manufacturers. However, the date is in a code; 1967's code is the Roman numeral XXIII. It's usually found on the side of the frame with the proof marks. The decoding ring:

 

[mazo kid]

Mykeal, is this date code chart for all Italian makers or only Uberti? Thanks. Emery

 

[mykeal]

This chart is for all Italian replicas.

 

[NRAJOE]

The frame has XXI on it.
Can't believe it sat so long.
Old guy also had 3 other repro BP revolvers for $125 each.

Had a short barrel steel frame 1851 Colt
Short barrel brass frame 1851 Colt
And a long barrel brass frame 1851 Colt in the original box...all unfired.

Matter of fact he told me if I cocked 'em I bought 'em.

He had all of them for years!
If I had of had more money with me I could of bought them all for $300 package deal...said he was tired of looking at them and they were taking up space!

I soaked the cylinder in a glass full of Hoppes and got the nipples to break loose...cleaned 'em all up and put anti-seize on them.

Gun is looking good.
Action is stiffer than the Pietta...and some slight variances:

Front sight is shorter.
Grip wood is lighter.
You can see the front sight through the sight groove uncocked (hammer is shorter than the Pietta.

 

[NRAJOE]

Well here they be,before/after clean up...Uberti/Navy Arms on top:

Now to decide which gets the .45LC conversion cylinder and which stays BP....
http://images.nrajoe.multiply.com/....JPG?et=+hJkF0zQWpm4pVs8asTs8A&nmid=125492574
http://images.nrajoe.multiply.com/....JPG?et=AraA90d7jL5JKSpY1u9SEA&nmid=125492574

 

[biermeister]

:thumbsup: Cool chart Mykeal.

 

[Poor Private]

NRAJOE,
I just picked up a conversion cylinder yesterday for my Uberti Remington- Kirst, now to find me some cowboy loads for it and to ream out the loading port.
I will still shoot ball though, through it- You get a sorta zen/mystical feel when loading(anyway I do).
I am thinking about getting a short barrel now, but got to wait till one speaks to me.

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

Have you bought the conversion cylinder yet? If you haven't, you might want to talk to Walt Kirst or one of his dealers. Uberti changed their manufacturing process and some dimensions back in the 1990s and some parts do not interchange. This may not apply to the conversions, but I would want to be sure before I spent that kind of money.

 

[NRAJOE]

Poor Private...yeah, I'd like a short barrel myself...PLUS another long barrel TARGET model...AND one in .36 cal....sigh....here we go again! :surrender:

Russ T, I'll probably get the conversion for the new Pietta to be on the safe side.

Which is better?

The R&D or the Kirst conversion?
Thanks all... :hatsoff:

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

To be on the safe side, talk to the people that sell them. Pietta and Ubertis are completely different as far as dimensions go. Or talk to Walt himself. He's a great guy and knows all the ins and outs of the conversions.

I have used a Kirst conversion unit for years and never had a problem. It fits my short barrel, late model Uberti perfectly. It did not fit a friend's older Uberti or his Pietta.

 

[NRAJOE]

Thanks Russ T.... :thumbsup:

 

[Poor Private]

The one I got on saturday, the feller said he won't sell em to people without first testing them out in your gun first. Mine dropped right in and works perfect. It's a Kirst. Cost me 225 bucks out the door. If you look down below in the non-muzzle loading section you will see I have posted a thread.. Can't find cowboy loads locally, nobody can get ammo!!!! So found some at Track of the Wolf and ordered a box. Now just got to be patient and wait for em.
Going to be fun firing case and caseless rounds at my paper targets.

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

The cowboy loads I started with were pretty feeble. The GOEX cartridges from Track are much better. You can reload them easily and save a bundle. Don't forget to use that percussion cylinder too! (Muzzleloading content)

 

[NRAJOE]

Welp, I sold the NavyArms/Uberti for $200 today @ the gunshow (made $75)...in turn found a beauty T/C .50 cal Hawken (traditional wood with patchbox) for $200 otd!

The Pietta 1858 I have is much smoother than the Uberti was!
Action was real stiff and the cylinder pin seemed bent a little...had to really jam it in upon reassembly.

The Pietta slides right in.

Pics of T/C Hawken will be later in a new thread! :grin: