Got my first deer with a muzzleloader this past hunting season. Name was drawn for a special elk damage control hunt two weeks ago. It was to take place on a very open range with little cover. A friend who often hunts there told me I needed a rifle that could "reach out" because I would never get within 200 yards of any elk. So I did not use my Thompson Center Hawken, but took my traditional rifle. (I was told it wasn't just a rifle when I bought it, but a "complete shooting system") Well I stalked to within 15 yards of my elk. After I dressed him, I was just disgusted with myself. I should have been sitting there with my first muzzleloader elk, instead I let someone else set my expectations for me. Never again.