Green Mountain

[Mark Walker]

I have a green mountain barrel coming in about a week- 28 twist 50 cal. I'd like to know if you think if they are good barrels or not. Its a little late now but would like any input on what to expect. I will be trying lead conicals rather than sabots. It will be a drop-in for a renegade.

THANKS

 

check the thread below - 28" twist .50 - E-mail me at [email protected] if you need more help with specifics.

 

[roundball]

I have a .62cal smoothbore Flint drop in for a TC Hawken, and a .58cal 1:70" RB Flint drop in for a TC Hawken...both are excellent...don't know about the twist you're getting, but my .58 barrel 1:70" is incredibily accurate

 

[shmrck1]

Flincher,
i have 3 GM drop-in barrels in .32, .36 & .45 cal. and i could not be happier with them. all 3 are outstanding shooters. i don't concider this a drawback but it is something you should know. it does take a few rounds
(maybe 50 or 60) before they settle down :imo:
so don't be discouraged by any early results :results: :m2c:
snake-eyes eace: :thumbsup:

 

[cayugad]

I think that Green Mountain Barrels are an excellent high quality barrel. I have a couple of them and plan on getting a few more in the future.

 

[ryoung14]

I've got a .50 GM 1:28 in a T/C Hawken. It's a good shooter with sabots if I keep the charge down around 90 to 100 grs. pyrodex RS. It seems to like the Hornady 300gr. 44cal. XTP in a Mag Express Sabot. Don't think I've tried conicals in it.

My only problem is that I wish it were in another gun. The Hawken stock punishes the side of my face when I shoot from the bench. Consequently I haven't shot it that much.
Bob

 

My only problem is that I wish it were in another gun. The Hawken stock punishes the side of my face when I shoot from the bench. Consequently I haven't shot it that much.
Bob

May I ask why you are shooting it off a bench :: :: ::

 

[ryoung14]

You may ask, Cody. Just playin' the "Where's it hittin today?" and "How tight will it group at 100yds" games I guess. Once I'm content with it there, I practice offhand to get the human part of the equation in line. But absorbing Hawken recoil with the cheekbone gets me flinching rather quick. Of the 9 muzzleloaders I own, it's the only one that treats me that way.
Bob

 

[roundball]

Shooting from a bench does give max recoil to an immoveble object for sure...plus, any other way you shoot it after getting off the bench will have a different POI anyway...ie: like shooting from a treestand or sitting in a ground blind.

I started something different a few years ago which has had positive results all the way around for me...I shoot from a small chair like they use in a kindergarten class...it's shocking how stable it is, resting an elbow down on your chest, etc.

It simulates treestand / ground blind seated shooting positions perfectly, and lets me adjust the sights and practice for real life shooting positions under exactly those kinds of conditions.

PLUS...as you know, you give & roll with recoil when seated upright, compared to being hunched over on a bench...you can shoot hunting loads "all day" if you want to.

 

[flaming canvas]

My only problem is that I wish it were in another gun. The Hawken stock punishes the side of my face when I shoot from the bench. Consequently I haven't shot it that much.
Bob

Sounds to me like you need a rasp. I took about 3/16 off the comb on my Renegade and I liked it a lot more.

 

[Bob J]

Roundball-
Do you mostly shoot offhand at the range? And if so, do you practice offhand with "target loads" or full hunting loads?

P.S.; I have a paper shot cup follow-up question under the "Smoothbore" section.

 

[ryoung14]

The Hawken's a pretty thing, flying canvas. A rose among thorns when racked with in-lines. Sorta hate to mess with its lines. But I'm sure you're right, 3/16" off the comb would do the trick. Push comes to shove, I'll try that.

I wanted a Renegade real bad at one point and found a new .54 at a clearance price about 5 years ago. However, when I raised it to my shoulder I couldn't get my face down far enough on the stock to line up the sights. Killed that idea. The thought of fixing it with a rasp never crossed my mind.
Bob

 

[roundball]

Roundball-
Do you mostly shoot offhand at the range? And if so, do you practice offhand with "target loads" or full hunting loads?

P.S.; I have a paper shot cup follow-up question under the "Smoothbore" section.

Except during hunting season, I usually go to the range every Saturday morning...as an example load, .54cal PRB loads are:

Hunting load = 90grns Goex FFFg
Target load = 60grns Goex FFFg

In a typical month, I'll use a Saturday to practice standing offhand because I know "I should", but I never shoot offhand hunting...99% of the time I'm seated and remain seated while shooting because it's a much more rock solid position...only taken a couple shots standing that I can remember, and then I braced against the side of a tree.
So I mostly practice at 50 & 75yds, from the position I'll be shooting when hunting

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

You aren't the first to get bitten by a Hawken and you are right--it is a pretty thing. But with a little care you can make it fit you and still retain its looks. The amount you need to remove may vary compared to others.
Another option might be the replacement stock offered by Track of the Wolf. Actually, Track offers both a full and half stock version and a choice of maple or walnut. It is a more traditional style and recoils away from the face rather
than slapping your cheek each time you fire.
A friend went this route a while back and never regretted
it. The rifle looks more authentic, he got a good winter project out of it, and he used the walnut from the old stock for knife handles and other accouterments so nothing went to waste. Anyhow good luck whichever way you go.

 

Hey Flincher - web page has pre-inlet stocks for the TC's with the correct amount of drop so they don't smack you in the face. They are available in plain maple, curly maple of walnut- your choice from $95.00 up. It's pre-inlet for the trigger guard, lock, 15/16" barrel, plug/tang, but not the cap box or butt plate or forend cap. They will probably do that work for you if you ask - for a price, of course. The pull length can be up to 14 1/2" with up to 3" of drop at the heel.
; This stock will allow nice low mounted sights for long point blank sighting.
; When shooting off the bench, using your left hand(right-handed) between the bag and your forewood, gripping it as you would when normally shooting standing or kneeling, will give the same POI as when shooting in the field. If you shoot with the left hand on the rear bag, the POI will change due to different pressures on the forewood.

 

[Bob J]

Roundball-
Do you change your sight settings when changing from target to hunting loads (or vice-versa)or leave then the same? When shooting from a chair (or ground blind)do you rest elbow on knee?

Thanks for the "smoothbore print up. I'm going to study it thoroughly when I get back from the Thanksgiving weekend huntin' trip!

Bob J.

 

[roundball]

Well, one thing about not having a lot of other hobbies is that over the years you tend to accumulate multiples of things in the same hobby.

Example:
I have a .50cal RB flintlock sighted in with hunting loads and only use it for hunting...and I have a different but identical .50cal flintlock for weekend trips to the range that I practice with.


When shooting from the chair, I just brace my left elbow down on my chest/side and using a heavy rifle, it's virtually dead still on the target...then when hunting, the shooting position is just second nature when sitting in a tree stand or on the ground leaning against a tree

 

[Bob J]

You know, I've wondered if I should get another GPR .54 just for practice? But then, I have the Kodiak that I could use the second sight to sight in with a light "practice load". And was wondering if maybe a flintlock from TVM might be the ticket? Decisions, decisions (anyone got any fresh excuses for the "better half"?).

 

[fatboy]

I have a green mountain barrel on my lonrifle if I do my part it will print 1"1/4, 4 shot groups :thumbsup:

 

[Idaho Elk Hunter]

I shoot a lot of shotgun in registered trap and some guns do bite you in the cheek bone. I sell those guns! A gun that fits you will not do that and it is not fun to own one that does. I shoot a Perazzi and Krieghoff shotguns with release triggers and neither one ever has done this and they have hardly any recoil and my belief is.... "that it is due to having a good fit."

My old Hawken 50 did the same if I shot it enough and I eventually sold it as a result, but I shoot left handed and it was a right hand rifle with "cast on" stock, so maybe that was the reason. It was a super shooting rifle though with super tight groups!!!
Jim in Idaho