Help me ID my Brown Bess

[clm546]

Hello:
Just got a Brown Bess - I know it's a replica but unable tell it's make. It just has serial number 2064 and the number 20 under the barrel. Any help would be appreciated.

Here is a link to some pics https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jzyi55bei98fp8l/AAChhHypENf2qlG0Khs6rzj4a?dl=0

 

[hawkeye2]

Italian made Pedersoli, copy of a 2nd. model but not too accurate. Excellent quality gun though.

 

[clm546]

Doesn't Pedersoli mark their guns with their name?

 

[Grenadier1758]

Italian made guns should have all the proof markings stamped on the barrel also. Pedersoli does mark their barrels. This one may have been worked on to remove the identifying markings to make it appear historically correct, yet left the black powder only stamp in place to ensure that it is readily identifiable as a replica.

I think that the Grice 1762 on the lock is the clue that it is a Pedersoli as the Pedersoli guns were stamped with Grice. The Japanese guns were stamped with Tower on the lock and I forget what the Navy Arms guns were stamped. There were a few other importers also.

 

[Artificer]

Both my Bess Carbine I bought in the mid 70's and my full length Bess bought around 2000 (both) from Navy Arms were marked "Grice 1762" as Pedersoli made them as well.

Gus

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Yep, Italian.

LD

 

[Many Klatch]

Looks like you have a Pedersoli made Bess. That Grice stamp is proof. Mine likes a .715 ball with a .010 patch over 75 to 90 grains of 2F. They are a lot of fun.

 

[SLewis]

Italian made Pedersoli, copy of a 2nd. model but not too accurate. Excellent quality gun though.

Based on the images and info in Goldstein & Mowbrays Identification guide, The Pedersoli Brown Bess is almost identical in outer appearance to the 1769 Short Land Pattern Musket, except for the lock markings which should read "Tower" instead of "Grice 1762."

 

[Rifleman1776]

I forget what the Navy Arms guns were stamped

My Navy Arms BB kit is stamped Grice.

 

[valen]

Navy Arms got their guns from Pedersoli and later from a japanese firm, Mikkoru I believe. The Pedersoli guns have the Grice lock and the Japanese guns have Tower stamped on their locks.

 

[Rifleman1776]

Navy Arms got their guns from Pedersoli and later from a japanese firm, Mikkoru I believe. The Pedersoli guns have the Grice lock and the Japanese guns have Tower stamped on their locks.

Mine is a Ped.

 

[Zombiesafterme]

Can anyone tell if this is real and id it?

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Can anyone tell if this is real and id it?

Need some photographs of the barrel. Especially ones focused on the muzzle.

It's at least as young as the 19th century, could be near the ACW as the screws on the patch box look factory made, but...,could also be 1960's with that lock .... the screws also all looked as though they are "indexed" which usually means done by somebody who had an attention to detail, and not a prop-master in Hollywood, nor the average gun faker. Yet the inlay on the forward part of the stock was applied to the surface of the stock instead of being in the wood, so now I'm thinking copy done in the 20th century.....

LD

 

[FlinterNick]

Pedersoli’s older Brown Bess muskets were much better. More accurate in detail, the stock shape was a little closer, locks were marked Tower during the bicentennial. The Grice lock was first introduced on the Long Land Brown Bess made by Coach Harness, these were nice guns, big collectors item nowadays. Pedersoli for a short period I believe also made a Rapp Forge Musket, with a flat faced lock and US surcharged markings.

 

[jimairwin]

Can anyone tell if this is real and id it?

"Real"? Well, yes. And old and moderately rough. I don't see any identifiable markings on it, so can't say where it's from or who might have made it. Can you see/show any markings anywhere? Looks pretty typically mid-19th century and pretty high end quality. What can you say about its history? Where was it from or found? Was it in your family & what history is known about it?

 

[Zombiesafterme]

Need some photographs of the barrel. Especially ones focused on the muzzle.

It's at least as young as the 19th century, could be near the ACW as the screws on the patch box look factory made, but...,could also be 1960's with that lock .... the screws also all looked as though they are "indexed" which usually means done by somebody who had an attention to detail, and not a prop-master in Hollywood, nor the ave2rage gun faker. Yet the inlay on the forward part of the stock was applied to the surface of the stock instead of being in the wood, so now I'm thinking copy done in the 20th century.....

LD

 

[Zombiesafterme]

"Real"? Well, yes. And old and moderately rough. I don't see any identifiable markings on it, so can't say where it's from or who might have made it. Can you see/show any markings anywhere? Looks pretty typically mid-19th century and pretty high end quality. What can you say about its history? Where was it from or found? Was it in your family & what history is known about it?

 

[Zombiesafterme]

My father had just bought it from a friend of his like a day before he died. So i do not know anything other than that